crs1026
Superstar
So, this was just a re-announcement of previous commitments?
I wasn't aware that Ottawa was sharing costs on the Ford-initiated projects ?
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GO 2.0 Expansion Plan
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So, this was just a re-announcement of previous commitments?
I wasn't aware that Ottawa was sharing costs on the Ford-initiated projects ?
- Paul
nfitz
Superstar
Northern Light
Superstar
Yes, there are substantial federal dollars publicly committed to for most or all of those projects.
Hamilton: 1.7B federal money (2021)
Ontario Line: 4B and change, federal money (2021)
Scarborough Subway: 2.2B federal money (2021)
Eglinton West: 1.9B federal money (2021)
afransen
Senior Member
Milton Line 2WAD?
bpbpbpbp
New Member
Any idea when we might hear more? I’m hoping it isn’t the Kitchener Line Halton work because we already know about that, though I wouldn’t be surprised if it was.
Northern Light
Superstar
Its not.
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LOL, I mostly give up predicting these things when they are at least several months out (just at the announcement stage}, and this gov't mostly delivers things years late.
I don't like being made to look bad. I have a good idea how far along the work is............and it could be announced sooner than not, there's a budget........ but these people rarely start a presser on time, or within 30 minutes of on time, when they pick the time!
Sunnyside
Senior Member
There are a small selection of GO projects that would require fulsome coordination. In my order of likeliness:
- Milton Line
- Bolton Line
- Bowmanville Extension (if applicable?)
- Something with the CN acquisition up north (Barrie/Northlander)
(Big gap)
- The freight bypass (and/or…)
- Midtown corridor
- Hamilton anything
- Cambridge-Guelph or Cambridge extension
Curious if you can indicate which of these it may not be. I imagine half of them aren’t even on the governments radar in a meaningful way.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
15-minute service to Hamilton Centre would be a great project to me, but probably unlikely. It's a relatively small chunk of line compared to something like Milton or Midtown and on a much lower traffic CP corridor (only a few trains a day), though it's also highly constrained. But also unlike Milton or Midtown, the constrained nature means you would need a higher level of cooperation compared to Bowmanville or Milton where they are basically planning a second, parallel corridor in the same ROW.
If they could get a second track into the GO station I could see it working.
If they could get a second track into the GO station I could see it working.
urbanclient
Active Member
Isn't the Hunter Street tunnel single track and almost 100 years old?
innsertnamehere
Superstar
It is indeed currently single track - it's actually wide enough for two tracks though (and from my understanding was double tracked in the past).
Hunter Street Rail Tunnel at Historical Hamilton
Hunter Street Rail Tunnel at Historical Hamilton
historicalhamilton.com
In the past:
The problem is that to fit double-stack containers, the track had to be relocated within the centre of the tunnel to fit within the arched ceiling.
Any double track through the tunnel would either require replacement of the tunnel or lowering of the track bed in order to shift the tracks and create a dedicated freight and passenger track.
Bayview junction is also a major issue, GO service would need a way to cross CN's freight services to get to the Aldershot platforms and dodge the freight weaving at the junction.
It wouldn't be cheap but would unlock service to the second-densest GO station in the network with the second largest walkable employment node as well. Making Hamilton Centre 2-way all day would likely unlock a good bit of counter-direction commuting in addition to the peak hour flows.
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Sunnyside
Senior Member
It is evidently not Hamilton's time for provincial attention, but I had to throw it in the list.
There are at least 2 other equally-expensive projects semi-baked into improving service into Hamilton, as I would include the CN Yard along with Bayview. GO can run alot of trains to West Harbour today, sure, but there is much to be desired operationally. a truly dedicated coridor into central Hamilton is the core need.
Of course, what is downstream of Bayview, and the tunnel, and the yard, is alot of people and jobs well beyond the City of Hamilton. If nothing else, we are to be patient for the dollars to catch up...
Northern Light
Superstar
I'll use this post as a proxy for answering a few different variations of "Can you drop more hints?"
I generally try to share as much as I can here, as I appreciate others doing the same.
If you were to search my name and the project of your choice, there may be more hints lying around.
But if I were to drop everything I know in one spot, it might draw negative attention and less access to information for me!
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That said, let me then add, I don't have a comprehensive sense of where every project sits. People who are kind enough to share, often, but not always through UT, often have a window on one project, so I hear where that is currently sitting or was a month or two earlier.
If and and where I get to ask a higher-up openly, I don't generally ask about 28 projects in a level of detail that would either see me tuned out or the subject of lots of questions on 'how do you know about that" So I might ask about 1, or 2.
I'll say something here that I think is safe, with the proviso, that because I haven't heard anything doesn't mean there's nothing happening, its merely that I'm not aware of anything recent. But even I get surprised now and again.
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I haven't heard anything about Hunter Street (shame, I like that idea).
I haven't heard anything about Cambridge (GO related)
I haven't heard anything about Bolton that isn't public here on UT.
That's it, no more teasing for a bit.
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