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Globe: Second NHL Team for Toronto?

MLSE will try to do everything to avoid another big venue that could chip away concerts and events at ACC in the GTA.

And they have done everything. If they didn't, Maple Leaf Gardens today would have been home of the Eugene Melnyk's Toronto (not Mississauga) St. Mike's Majors, instead of rotting away waiting for a Loblaws to move in like it is now.
 
Just heard on the radio the new proposed team is called the Toronto Legacy. The new arena will be at Downsview Park, with 30,000 seating capacity. 15,000 of those seats would cost $50. 25% of the profits would go to charity.

Here's the website http://torontolegacy.com/

I like the logo, looks kinda like a soccer crest.

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It appears they didn't spend that much time designing the logo, jersey and renderings.

Also they would include the skyline in their logo when they aren't anywhere near it IMO?!?!
 
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30,000 seats? Wow, I wonder what that size of arena would look like and what the sight lines would be like. And how serious this expansion proposal really is. This whole trend of moving teams back to Canada and especially Southern Ontario really seems to be snowballing.

Re: promotion/relegation: I'd be all in favour of it. It's a vastly superior system to the micromanaged old boys clubs we have North America. Under a tiered system, the NHL, AHL, and maybe even CHL and university teams would all be able to go up and down depending on how they perform. And how well they perform depends on how well each market can support hockey. If Jim Balsillie wanted to bring an NHL team to Hamilton, he'd just buy the Hamilton Bulldogs of the AHL and pour money into the team, eventually making his way into the top tier. If there were any possibility of that happening, there would be huge fan interest. And if a team like Phoenix couldn't hack it in the NHL, the owners would simply spend less money, attract less talent, and fall into a lower tier.

It's so simple. No need for messy bankrupcies, ego battles, or turf protection. No teams getting moved to another city. There would be a lot fewer top tier teams in the desert and a lot more in cities where hockey makes sense... and probably half a dozen in Southern Ontario. Which of course is why it will never happen.
 
Leafs threatened lawsuit over Hamilton
Filing says they claim territorial rights

June 06, 2009
Ken Peters
http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/578773

The Toronto Maple Leafs have threatened to sue the National Hockey League if a franchise is located in Hamilton, the lawyer for Jim Balsillie has advised.

In a brief to a Arizona bankruptcy court Richard Rodier said the Maple Leafs believe they have power under the NHL constitution to veto another southern Ontario franchise.

Indeed Rodier said the Leafs received a $150,000 payment from Hamilton sports promoter Russ Boychuk in 2006 to allow a exhibition game between the Buffalo Sabres and the Pittsburgh Penguins.

"I have been advised and it has been reported in Canadian news media that the Maple Leafs have threatened to sue the league and its constituent members is a team is located in Hamilton," Rodier's brief states.

Leafs president Richard Peddie said the club will be making no comment on Balsillie's bid to move the Phoenix Coyotes to Hamilton.

The bankrupt Coyotes should be permitted to be sold and relocated to Hamilton because the move represents the best deal for its creditors.

That is the position Jim Balsillie has taken in his final legal brief to a Arizona bankruptcy court before the relocation issue is heard Tuesday.

Balsillie notes the Coyotes have lost over $300 million in their 13 seasons in Arizona. His $212.5 conditional offer to buy and relocate the club is the only firm offer in place.

"Transferring the club from its death throes in Glendale to a willing owner of integrity and means in a location crying for a NHL team with a validated market demand is the only rationale alternative," Balsille's legal brief states.

Balsillie also acknowledges that his proposed purchase of the Coyotes, vigorously opposed by the NHL, has become personal.

"Emotions and personalities can cloud the objectivity of a league's decision-making process. That has happened here...." the brief continues.
 
This is a real underhanded move by JB (IMO)

Jim Kelley (a Buffalonian working in Toronto) writes a piece in Sports Illustrated citing some un-named source at MLSE about some theoretical/hypothetical suit.....the story gets repeated in toronto media (by people including Kelley) and that constitutes evidence enough to go to court to say the Leafs have threatened a suit?

Crap.....all designed to inflame people and make MLSE/NHL look bad....be careful what you wish for....this guy might get a team.
 
The Maple Leafs Fight a second area NHL team...

Kiwi and everyone: I predicted that the Maple Leafs would fight the addition of a second NHL team in Toronto or Hamilton-and I turned out to be right.

We all know that the area can support a second NHL team-heck,it might create a significant rivalry and perhaps make the Maple Leafs stronger and not the monopoly of sorts the Maple Leafs enjoy now.

Thoughts by LI MIKE
 
you are declaring yourslef "right" based on the unsubstantiated story being told by one "journalist"?

So what's your angle, then? You've been pretty hostile to Basillie's bid. Are you a Teacher hoping to maximize your pension? Why be such a MLSE apologist?
 
Just heard on the radio the new proposed team is called the Toronto Legacy. The new arena will be at Downsview Park, with 30,000 seating capacity. 15,000 of those seats would cost $50. 25% of the profits would go to charity.

Here's the website http://torontolegacy.com/

"Terry Fox Arena" in a league where every arena has a corporate sponsor? 25% to charity? In the greediest, most profit driven enterprise known as the professional sports industry?

This proposal holds about as much weight as a Tie Domi anti-violence campaign.
 
i don't get the name. wouldn't the maple leafs be the legacy team if toronto adds a new team? :p
 
NHL spills its secrets in court

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/article/646901

When the closely guarded NHL constitution becomes a public document, hockey icon Wayne Gretzky becomes a target and even the Toronto Argonauts are drawn in, you know the gloves are off in the battle for the Phoenix Coyotes.

The increasingly messy business of saving or relocating the bankrupt team – which in some ways is overshadowing a highly entertaining Stanley Cup playoffs – has allowed an unprecedented look behind the scenes at the NHL.

The league's constitution has historically been kept hush-hush, but it's now available at thestar.com after the Coyotes' legal team filed a marked-up version of it yesterday as evidence.

The legality of that constitution – the backbone of the old boys' club which BlackBerry billionaire Jim Balsillie desperately wants to join – is at the heart of the conflict over whether the Coyotes can relocate to Hamilton.

Among the legal slings and arrows let fly in the cascade of documents filed yesterday:

Argos co-owners David Cynamon and Howard Sokolowski are among four groups interested in buying the Coyotes.

Coyotes' lawyers maintain the league constitution proves the Toronto Maple Leafs hold a veto – in violation of the Canadian Competition Act – that prevents another team from moving to Hamilton.

According to the NHL, the $212.5 million (all figures U.S.) offer from Balsillie to buy the Coyotes is more like $165 million.
The Phoenix suburb of Glendale, desperate not to lose the anchor tenant at the arena it went $200 million in debt to build, suggested Gretzky, the Coyotes' coach, is overpaid and should have his annual salary slashed by $6 million.

The NHL is threatening to charge a "substantial" fee if the Coyotes are moved to Hamilton.

Balsillie, NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman, Coyotes' owner Jerry Moyes, their lawyers and various other minions and allies filed dozens of documents – some as long as 100 pages – into the wee hours of yesterday in support of their respective causes.

Judge Redfield T. Baum has until Tuesday to go through the legal arguments on relocation and who actually controls the team. He'll make his decision shortly thereafter.

It will be the culmination of a months-long battle, which has turned into what almost seems a personal war between Bettman and Balsillie over whether Moyes is allowed to sell the insolvent team to an owner the NHL might not want and move it to another market against the NHL's wishes.

The NHL, which late last year advanced Moyes funds to keep the franchise afloat, argues it has final say. Balsillie calls that position an unreasonable restraint of trade.

The marked-up parts of the constitution filed yesterday are targeted for legal challenges, namely the veto rights, found at the bottom of article 4.3: "No franchise shall be granted for a home territory within the home territory of a member, without the written consent of such member."

Hamilton is considered part of the Leafs' territory since it's within a 50-mile (80-kilometre) radius of Toronto. Coyotes' lawyers say the Leafs have prevented relocations to Hamilton before – the last was an attempt by Ottawa – and aren't likely to approve this one. The Leafs refer all calls to the NHL.

Coyotes' lawyers say the NHL's constitution violates Canadian competition laws and U.S. antitrust laws and implored the judge to ignore it.

Till now, Gretzky – a minority owner and hockey deity – has been treated with kid gloves in these proceedings. Although the Great One is also a creditor in the bankruptcy, his name is rarely invoked. So it's quite a shock Glendale would take aim yesterday at the man who has been the face of the franchise.

The city says Gretzky is overpaid and should have his salary slashed by $6 million as part of a $15 million cost-saving measure. Glendale says that could turn the Coyotes into a money-making team, thus negating the need for relocation.

"Reduce compensation to Wayne Gretzky from $8 million to $2 million," concludes a report from Gerald Sheehan of Beacon Sports Capital Partners, hired by the city to go over the books.

Glendale, which is said to be willing to offer tax breaks to a new owner, says mismanagement by Moyes is the only reason the team is losing $30 million a year.

For his part, Bettman cited bylaw 35 of the NHL constitution, which says league rules require a seller to exhaust all avenues before considering relocation. He says the Coyotes haven't done that.

Bettman said Cynamon and Sokolowski are among four groups who've asked to be approved as owners in the bankruptcy auction, set for June 22. Both declined to comment, referring questions to the NHL. It's unclear whether they would keep the team in Glendale.

Bettman said others interested are Chicago sports magnate Jerry Reinsdorf, Coyotes' minority owner John Breslow and an anonymous Phoenix businessman. All would keep the team in Arizona.

Their interest and Glendale's willingness to help in restructuring "all indicate that relocation may well be unnecessary," Bettman wrote.

Balsillie reminded the judge his job is to get the best deal possible for creditors, and believes his $212.5 million offer will do just that.

Bettman thinks otherwise, and believes Balsillie's offer is more like $165 million.

As for how much Balsillie would have to pay as a relocation fee for moving into the Hamilton market, those numbers were confidential, but Bettman said it would be equal to the difference between the purchase of the Coyotes and the value of a team in southern Ontario.

Some have estimated that could be $100 million.
 
"Terry Fox Arena" in a league where every arena has a corporate sponsor? 25% to charity? In the greediest, most profit driven enterprise known as the professional sports industry?

This proposal holds about as much weight as a Tie Domi anti-violence campaign.
That though had occurred to me too. It does seem a little dubious. Even still, people are openly talking about it - there seems to be an air of inevitability to more teams in the GTA.

IMO, the whole "home territory" concept is a crock. What benefit to the league or the game does it have? Look at the English Premier League - they have 5 teams in London, 3 in Birmingham, and 6 in and around Manchester and Liverpool. Every club is forced to be competitive. If it's not, it drops to a lower tier. Simple.
 
Another group fronted by the owners of the Argos, seems to also be trying to move a team to Toronto. From Damien Cox in today's Star:

There is the suggestion that Toronto Argonauts owners David Cynamon and Howard Sokolowski are among those who have "expressed an interest" in buying the Coyotes and making them flourish in Arizona.

And it's almost true.

Cynamon and Sokolowski, brilliant individual businessmen and a strong pro sports ownership team that turned the Argos from a bankrupt mess into a viable business, have indeed talked to the league about the Coyotes.

Sokolowski has visited with Bettman in New York on numerous occasions, and the Argo owners even put their names in on the bidding for the Montreal Canadiens to have privileged access to confidential NHL information.

But they're not primarily interested in being NHL owners in Phoenix.

No, the play is to buy the team and move it to southern Ontario, likely the Downsview/Woodbine area north of Toronto. They have some deep-pocketed partners, and the long-term dream might be to build a giant football stadium/hockey arena complex.
 

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