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afransen said:
Trump loses and they decide to do this, it really is a declaration of war.
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Like the GOP cares. The latest this is delayed is the lame duck period. There is absolutely no way they miss their chance to get a 6-3 Supreme Court blocking all progressive legislation for the next three decades.

I hope all the Sanders supporters and third party voters are happy.


Jasmine18 said:
Issue is trump could do this before election day i think
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Nominee has to be confirmed by the Senate. Not happening the day before the election. Will probably start next week.

Jasmine18 said:
Expanding the Supreme Court sets up long term disaster again for the democrats. Short term things be fixed long term they are screwed like the 2013 vote change.

Democrats fall in to these delusions that can keep the presidency for decades as the vanquished the great evil...

But us politics is never like that.
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Consider that so many recent decisions on healthcare, voting rights, abortion, labour laws, etc have been 5-4.

Now consider that after this appointment, 5 of the 9 justices will have been appointed by Presidents who never won the popular vote. Three of the judges by a President elected with foreign interference. This is devastating for a democracy and confidence in the institutions.

If the Republicans do this, and the Democrats get both chambers of Congress and the Presidency, they'd be fools not to go to war. The Republicans started it. It'll be the only chance Democrats have to fight back. Add two states, so they get four Senators. Add four judges and dilute the power of every Justice currently on the bench. Codify absolutely everything. And pass the most detailed and strictest voting rights legislation in history.
 
Jasmine18 said:
In breaking news ..."in 2028 new gop president stacks the court with 5 new justices "
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Good. Every appointee only dilutes the power of every existing judge on the bench. The GOP has already fired a whole magazine in this gunfight. If they fill this seat, the Democrats really have no options left. Biden will be facing three Trump appointees shooting down his healthcare, climate change, gun control, and voting rights legislation.
 
afransen said:
But if they lose the presidency and the Senate, have they really secured SCOTUS?
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Yes. 6-3 court. Best case scenario is Biden gets 1 appointment in his term. In the meantime, that court will shred literally every piece of legislation passed in his term.

Imagine, for example, what a 6-3 Republican court would do to legalization attempts on Marijuana, voting rights legislation that restricts gerrymandering and voter ID laws, climate change legislation that regulates the power markets or has a carbon tax, or the big one: healthcare laws. Citizens United happened under Obama and allowed foreign dark money to flood into their elections. Just imagine want a court filled with the likes of Brett Kavanagh will do. What a disaster.
 
kEiThZ said:
Like the GOP cares. The latest this is delayed is the lame duck period. There is absolutely no way they miss their chance to get a 6-3 Supreme Court blocking all progressive legislation for the next three decades.

I hope all the Sanders supporters and third party voters are happy.




Nominee has to be confirmed by the Senate. Not happening the day before the election. Will probably start next week.



Consider that so many recent decisions on healthcare, voting rights, abortion, labour laws, etc have been 5-4.

Now consider that after this appointment, 5 of the 9 justices will have been appointed by Presidents who never won the popular vote. Three of the judges by a President elected with foreign interference. This is devastating for a democracy and confidence in the institutions.

If the Republicans do this, and the Democrats get both chambers of Congress and the Presidency, they'd be fools not to go to war. The Republicans started it. It'll be the only chance Democrats have to fight back. Add two states, so they get four Senators. Add four judges and dilute the power of every Justice currently on the bench. Codify absolutely everything. And pass the most detailed and strictest voting rights legislation in history.
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Democrats are the Tyrells from Game of Thrones while the GOP are the Lannisters.
 
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kEiThZ said:
It'll be the only chance Democrats have to fight back. Add two states, so they get four Senators. Add four judges and dilute the power of every Justice currently on the bench. Codify absolutely everything. And pass the most detailed and strictest voting rights legislation in history.
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Unless the Dems get a Senate supermajority the GOP will filibuster all this.
 
Jasmine18 said:
In breaking news ..."in 2028 new gop president stacks the court with 5 new justices "
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Reductio ad absurdum? We can end up with dozens of justices on SCOTUS, but it would bring the current mess to a head to necessitate reform. Democrats unilaterally disarming does nothing to bring the problem of heavy politicization of SCOTUS stemming from a broken electoral college and Senate to a head. Maybe the Dems should also make Puerto Rico and DC states.
 
kEiThZ said:
Yes. 6-3 court. Best case scenario is Biden gets 1 appointment in his term. In the meantime, that court will shred literally every piece of legislation passed in his term.

Imagine, for example, what a 6-3 Republican court would do to legalization attempts on Marijuana, voting rights legislation that restricts gerrymandering and voter ID laws, climate change legislation that regulates the power markets or has a carbon tax, or the big one: healthcare laws. Citizens United happened under Obama and allowed foreign dark money to flood into their elections. Just imagine want a court filled with the likes of Brett Kavanagh will do. What a disaster.
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Maybe not - Neil Gorsuch wasn't as malleable and aligned to the Rs as they thought, and I am sure the GOP learned that lesson well. They'd stack it for 5-4s.

AoD
 
afransen said:
Will that reliably deliver GOP votes? You could do the same with California and so on.
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I read that and went 'huh'.............

So I looked it up.

It appears that the Texas subdivision deal is a power granted to the State itself under its terms of accession when it became part of the U.S.

That power does not exist with most (any?) other states.

Normally, adding a State would require a constitutional amendment, which is quite a labourious and challenging exercise.

Not so here, it would seem.

The purpose here, by the way, wouldn't be to shift the House nor attract more physical votes.

Rather, it would be to gain additional Senators (2 per state) and additional Electoral College votes (equal to number of house districts and senators for each state).

Looking at the divisions hypothesized at the link below; you would likely get one Democratic Texas, 4 Republican ones by dividing it into 5.

That would be a net pick-up of 4 senators for the GOP and (more debatably) the same in electoral college votes. (6 gross)

fivethirtyeight.com

Messing with Texas

Last week, we discussed the political implications of Texas choosing to secede from the Union, something which — as is apparently unknown to its governor Rick …
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From link.

There haven’t always been nine justices on the (U.S. Supreme) court.​
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The U.S. Constitution established the Supreme Court but left it to Congress to decide how many justices should make up the court. The Judiciary Act of 1789 set the number at six: a chief justice and five associate justices. In 1807, Congress increased the number of justices to seven; in 1837, the number was bumped up to nine; and in 1863, it rose to 10. In 1866, Congress passed the Judicial Circuits Act, which shrank the number of justices back down to seven and prevented President Andrew Johnson from appointing anyone new to the court. Three years later, in 1869, Congress raised the number of justices to nine, where it has stood ever since. In 1937, in an effort to create a court more friendly to his New Deal programs, President Franklin Roosevelt attempted to convince Congress to pass legislation that would allow a new justice to be added to the court—for a total of up to 15 members—for every justice over 70 who opted not to retire. Congress didn’t go for FDR’s plan.​

There are also nine justices on the Canadian Supreme Court. (Population 37.59 million)
There are twelve justices on the United Kingdom Supreme Court. (Population 66.65 million)

The population of the United States of America is 328.2 million.
 
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