Electrify
Senior Member
2km as a "cushy medium"? Good lord. If we did things that way on Bloor St W the only stops would be Kipling, Royal York, Jane, Keele, Dufferin, Bathurst, and Yonge.
Stop spacing should be around 650-800m generally. 1km should be the upper limit. 2km is just ridiculous. No one is going to walk that far, especially on a hilly suburban street like Finch.
Rapid transit systems around the world tend to disagree with you. Outside of the CBD, most systems stop about every 1 or 2 km. More recent systems feature even wider stop spacing comparable to commuter rail, however they are generally in cities which are much more car-centric and anything less would fail to generate ridership.
Justin10000 said:1 - 2km is not a cushy medium. Not many riders are not willing to walk that far to a station on a daily basis. Having a station spacing of 500 - 800m will not slow service down, vehicles will still move quickly between stations, and the dwell times could be kept low. You, like many other advocates of speed, and wide station spacing ignore the issue of longer dwell times with fewer stations, and accessibilty. It's a simple fact. Not many people want to walk 10-15minutes one way to a stop. It's simply not convenient. The small time saved with fewer stations out easily lost when you 20-30 minutes walking to a station.
No. It is accessiblilty, and reliability that influences one's decision to use transit, or buy a car. If there is a rapid transit stop within a reasonable walking distance, chances are someone will give transit a shot. But if someone lives between stations that are 1km apart, they may not be enticed to make the trek to the station, especially if it means a 10 minute walk at a normal, leisurely pace on a hilly street.
I am also tired of the driving vs. transit debate. Driving will always be faster than transit. It's a fact. By the time someone gets to their stop, a driver will be well on their way to their destination.
500m, give or take, is ideal for local service. If we built a busway in the hydro corridor, stops every 500m would be in the middle of a giant field. If we rearranged all our local bus and streetcar stops to every 500m, then I'd be all for it. But investments in higher order and faster service should be at least double that distance.
For the record, from where I live in suburbia, I can walk 200m (a grueling walk to the top of the street...) to catch a local bus to take me to Yonge St. However, because this bus is so infrequent and unreliable, I end up walking or cycling 1.6km - a 20 minute walk or 10 minute bike ride - directly out to Yonge St to catch the bus. I'd love to be only a 10 minute walk away from the bus.
I have a car, so why do I take transit at all? First of all, I refuse to pay for parking when there is a transit alternative is available. Secondly, I am doing my part to reduce gridlock and traffic congestion. Finally, using transit reduces my car expenses significantly (I haven't had to fill up in over 2 months). With that said, while I save myself $15/day+ by not parking at York University, it takes up to 3 times longer to get there than by driving. Someone more financially well off or who has less of a social conscious would probably drive without a second thought.