smallspy
Senior Member
So all of those apartment buildings are just a figment of my imagination then? Whew. That's a relief.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
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Eglinton East LRT | Metrolinx
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So all of those apartment buildings are just a figment of my imagination then? Whew. That's a relief.
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
It would solve a lot of problems, yes, but would be political suicide. Just look at Sheppard Avenue and the proposed zoning changes that people strongly dislike.
OneCity
Senior Member
Kennedy needs to be re-zoned for high density no excuses. Very big difference between Sheppard transit infrastructure and Kennedy and Eglinton. Eglinton will soon see demand for revitalization thru-out with the LRT and this will become a prime location once construction ends.
Hopkins123
Senior Member
Yes, rather than building out transit to destinations, let's relocate established destinations to transit.
micheal_can
Senior Member
The entire city needs to be rezoned either high density or commercial or industrial. No more new single dwelling housing built within the city.
OneCity
Senior Member
I agree the City as an entirety needs to be reviewed. We are not anywhere near the point the entire City needs to be built density. No even close, nor would the be responsible. Areas need to transform over time and there is zero rush to risk creating misplaced with developers taking advantage of areas in poor transit areas. But any areas surrounding high quality transit is fair game for development re-zoning changes
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micheal_can
Senior Member
Think of a place that currently has lots of vacant land that is far from higher order transit within the city of Toronto. Now, lets imagine a developer builds a collection of high rises there. At first that sounds like a bad thing, but look at it another way...
1) The city will get more taxes for the property.
2) The overall amount of housing supply increases.
And the biggest reason ...
3) It creates a demand for higher order transit.
Instead of TOD (Transit Oriented Development), why not instead do the reverse, build development where we want transit to go?
JSF-1
Active Member
^This is a Chicken and Egg issue though. What comes first? Transit or Development? Personally I think TOD is more full proof as having transit already in place ensures the development has nothing to worry about. Preemptively building before the transit is in place is how we end up with Liberty Village and Park Lawn situations. There's great demand for transit there but we are nowhere close to delivering it.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Jane and Finch really come to my mind. Look at all the towers there, and no RT in sight.
OneCity
Senior Member
Exactly what we need to avoid and my entire point of misplaced density.
JSF-1
Active Member
It works well when everyone is on the same page, however once we get politicians involved (i.e. with transit planning) we introduce an immense risk since plans seem to change at City Hall and Queen's Park depending on which way the political winds blow. An example would be the proposed York City Centre. Back during the days of the Eglinton Subway, York planned a downtown core in the Mount Dennis area, but that died when the subway was cancelled. Imagine if that had continued but the Subway cancelled. We would have a struggling Sub-Centre without the prospect of transit for 30 years (from the 90's until the Crosstown Opening in 2021).
muller877
Senior Member
And likewise we now have high order transit and Downsview (3 subway stations) and yet some politicians are dead set against any development beyond low-density industrial.
Can we create zoning which prohibits low rise development? You cannot build or substantially renovate a single detached house or strip mall within 500 meters of a proposed station. Instead you must increase density (the closer to the station the greater the density).
JSF-1
Active Member
Of course we can, the city can zone an area how ever it wants. Toronto does need to update what zones it has and how it uses them. Personally I'm a fan of Japans "12 Zone" system since it emphasize mixed use development and dense communities.
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
Was referring to the corridor between Yonge and Don Mills, where the subway is.
Rainforest
Senior Member
One possible arrangement of the light rail lines in Scarborough, connected to the subway extension.
Sheppard gets converted to high-floor, high capacity LRT and goes to STC and then to Malvern, serving Centennial Progress campus en route.
Eglinton gets extended pas Kennedy all the way to UTSC (remaining low-floor).
Another service (let's call it Scarborough East LRT; low-floor) starts at Kennedy eastward, sharing the tracks with Eglinton till UTSC. Then it goes to Sheppard, turns west, connects to the Sheppard-Malvern line and shares tracks with it till STC.
It shouldn't be difficult to build a section, STC to Sheppard, shared by high-floor and low-floor trains. Known in a number of cities around the world. But if TTC is unwilling to do that, then the high-floor Sheppard line can end at STC. Malvern will be served by its own low-floor line (although the loss of through running is a bit of a disadvantage).
There are possibilities for Finch East LRT as well; I did not put them on this map to keep it simple.
Sheppard gets converted to high-floor, high capacity LRT and goes to STC and then to Malvern, serving Centennial Progress campus en route.
Eglinton gets extended pas Kennedy all the way to UTSC (remaining low-floor).
Another service (let's call it Scarborough East LRT; low-floor) starts at Kennedy eastward, sharing the tracks with Eglinton till UTSC. Then it goes to Sheppard, turns west, connects to the Sheppard-Malvern line and shares tracks with it till STC.
It shouldn't be difficult to build a section, STC to Sheppard, shared by high-floor and low-floor trains. Known in a number of cities around the world. But if TTC is unwilling to do that, then the high-floor Sheppard line can end at STC. Malvern will be served by its own low-floor line (although the loss of through running is a bit of a disadvantage).
There are possibilities for Finch East LRT as well; I did not put them on this map to keep it simple.