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deHavilland Downsview in Big Trouble

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European plane probe rattles investors

BRENT JANG

Globe and Mail Update

October 29, 2007 at 10:03 PM EDT

Bombardier Inc.'s Q400 crisis deepened Monday, when the aircraft maker learned it will face questions from Europe's aviation regulator about the turboprop's airworthiness after yet another crash landing that has raised concerns about future orders.

The European Aviation Safety Agency, based in Cologne, Germany, said it will examine ways to ensure passenger safety during an “immediate crisis meeting†with Bombardier and Transport Canada this week, on the heels of Scandinavian Airlines System's (SAS) decision to permanently ground its fleet of 27 Q400s.

Amid worries about the embattled Q400 project, Bombardier shares tumbled as much as 8.7 per cent Monday morning.

“It would be a rare measure for our agency to ground commercial aircraft because that indeed would indicate that there was a fundamental design failure,†agency spokesman Daniel Holtgen said in an interview from Cologne.

Including SAS's now-grounded fleet, Europe accounts for nearly half of the 165 Q400 turboprops that have been delivered worldwide since the model was introduced seven years ago, with SAS as the launch customer.

“Grounding aircraft is among the potential measures within an airworthiness directive, but it would be the last resort,†Mr. Holtgen said.

Bombardier spokesman John Arnone said the firm doesn't have any indication that a directive will be issued overseas, in the wake of SAS's third crash-landing in seven weeks.

Bombardier “will take the appropriate actions,†if necessary, Mr. Arnone said.

On Sunday, Stockholm-based SAS's board of directors decided to drop its 27 Q400s from service, one day after one's right landing gear failed to deploy properly, forcing the plane to slide on its belly on arrival on the Copenhagen runway.

British-based Flybe has 33 Q400s, Austrian Arrows of Innsbruck has 10, Germany's Augsburg Airways has five and Luxembourg's Luxair has two, with one plane on order.

There are another 135 orders globally on Bombardier's books, and for now at least, those contracts aren't being placed in jeopardy, said Benoit Poirier, an analyst with Desjardins Securities.

Other observers said SAS may be saddled with roughly $64-million in unexpected costs related to scrapping Q400s from its schedule, and the airline may sue Bombardier in a move that could damage the Q400 brand and hurt future orders.

Bombardier's Downsview plant in Toronto does the final assembly of the $27-million turboprop, with landing gear supplied by Goodrich Corp. C of Charlotte, N.C.

Mr. Holtgen said the European agency is looking forward to discussing the Q400, which is based on the Dash 8 model, with Bombardier and Transport Canada. “We're calling the people responsible. Something has to be done, and it has to be done together,†he said.

Transport Canada spokeswoman Lucie Vignola said Ottawa is co-operating with the Europeans.

“The aircraft has a solid safety record. We're confident that everything is safe,†she said.

Ms. Vignola said the SAS crash landing on Saturday hasn't changed Transport Canada's mind about the Q400, nor altered its views on Porter Airlines Inc., which has four of the planes in its fleet, with six more to be delivered next year.

NDP MP Olivia Chow, whose riding includes Porter's home base at Toronto City Centre Airport, is urging federal Transport Minister Lawrence Cannon to launch an independent safety investigation into the turboprops.

In a letter to Ms. Chow last Tuesday, Mr. Cannon offered assurances that Porter's Q400s are safe and reliable.

The Conservative cabinet minister said Porter has experienced two landing-gear problems since it launched service a year ago, “but Transport Canada conducted follow-ups and found that the air operator had taken appropriate steps to document and address those safety issues in accordance with its safety management system.â€

Porter president Robert Deluce reiterated that he's committed to using Q400s, as the regional carrier expands into the United States, starting with flights to New Jersey by next March.

Mr. Deluce stressed that privately owned Porter's turboprops are much newer than the planes that SAS had trouble with recently.

All four of Porter's Q400s are less than 14 months old. Hydro-Québec has two Q400s registered with aviation authorities – one is five years old and the other dates back to February, 2006, according to aircraft records.

Another 15 Q400s are registered in Canada under Bombardier's name.

Bombardier shares closed down 3.4 per cent Monday on the Toronto Stock Exchange.

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I'm sure this is just a series of flukes. If it's landing gear, it might have more to do with the components supplier. Perception is everything, though, and airlines will definitely now be thinking twice about buying Dash 8s. Oh, and trust Olivia Chow to take a swipe at thousands of good local manufacturing jobs.
 
I guess it's to be expected when the commentators are ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes, this is an issue for Bombardier. However, it appears to be isolated to the landing gear of the Q400 line of aircraft (the smaller Q-series aircraft don't appear to be encountering a similar problem). And while it is a problem for Bombardier, and the airlines operating the aircraft, it is an even bigger problem for the supplier of the landing gear.

But this being aviation safety, there is little doubt that the investigations will be thorough, the problem will be solved, and the orders will not be cancelled. The Q series of aircraft have an excellent service record so far, and are incredibly quiet. The Dash-8 line is a huge success.

As for Olivia Chow, wouldn't it be ironic for her to try and eliminate Porter by impugning the reputation of its aircraft supplier, thereby threatining some 3,000 well-paid unionized jobs at Downsview? Oh, how the ironies abound.

I hope Bombardier fixes this problem and gets on selling this great airplane.
 
These things happen all the time. The only reason this is in the news is because it's a Canadian company. If every issue that Boeing faced was reported on like this you'd think the company should have gone out of business several times over by now.

People who are registered as aircraft mechanics get regular mailings of maintenance issues and required repairs for all types of aircraft from Transport Canada. I've seen one... they literally contain HUNDREDS of entries (though most are from Cessna-size planes). Plane and simple (yuk yuk), there's no "good enough" when it comes to aircraft maintenance.
 
I'm inclined to agree with you, but it really does sound worse than usual. SAS seems to be saying that they're permanently grounding their fleet of 20-odd planes. That's a pretty huge fleet and a huge cost if the problems weren't very severe. They said that the planes had been having more minor issues as well that were impacting reliability.
 
As best as I can recall, in the past five to seven years, there have been equipment-related issues with Bombardier Regional Jets, Airbus A320's and Boeing 737's. In all cases, warning bulletins were issued from the manufacturer to the operators. The problems were indentified, solutions determined, and action taken. Combined, these three aircraft account for the majority of the 50 to 120 seat passenger aircraft fleet for a good chunk of the world.


But as CDL points out, the reaction is amplified because it is a Canadian company. All aviation safety issues are taken seriously (hence the grounding). The problem has already been identified and a temporary solution has been put forward. I would assume that permanent solutions are already progressing.

Here's a little update for the aircraft geeks out there.


From Flight Global:
http://www.flightglobal.com/article...ocked-actuator-on-third-crashed-sas-q400.html


Inquiry finds blocked actuator on third crashed SAS Q400
By David Kaminski-Morrow

Danish investigations into the Scandinavian Airlines Bombardier Q400 gear-up landing in Copenhagen during the last weekend of October have discovered that a blockage in a retraction actuator prevented the right-hand landing-gear extending.

The finding supports initial suggestions that the 27 October event was unrelated to the two gear-collapse accidents involving Scandinavian Airlines Q400s at Aalborg and Vilnius on 9 and 12 September.

Danish investigation authority HCL says the right-hand main landing-gear only partially deployed during the approach to Copenhagen, and attempts to recycle the gear and use alternative extension procedures failed to resolve the problem.
Corroded retraction actuators, which had then disconnected, had been found on the Q400s involved in the earlier accidents but HCL says the actuator on the Copenhagen aircraft was found to be intact and still connected to the undercarriage.
But it states that further examination identified a blocked orifice within the actuator assembly which prevented the complete extension of the right main gear.

“This finding is not related to the two previous accidents,” says HCL. “The source of the blockage is unknown at this time and the investigation continues.”

HCL’s discovery appears to back manufacturer Bombardier’s earlier claim that this latest event was unconnected to those last month.

SAS Group grounded all Q400s after the first two accidents in order to replace appropriate landing-gear components on its entire fleet, and the aircraft had only been back in service for a few days when the Copenhagen event occurred. The event has prompted SAS to ground its Q400s again and permanently withdraw them from service
 
As far as I know all I want is to reload my BBD/B.TO shares for $2.40 again (2 years ago I scooped the last $2.40 shares and soon had a double on my portfolio:) http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=bbd/b.to&p=D&yr=0&mn=3&dy=0&id=p45879420300 Checking the chart confirms the crappy news resulted in a triple bottom@$5.08 (going back to the gap up on 28 June--major support level) and now the Bomber stock is moving back up--nice play there (I missed it.) Could go to $5.80 maybe $6.00 on this move.

Learn to profit from bad news!
 
What a surprise...

Councillor's comments called 'malicious'

JEFF GRAY

November 1, 2007

Porter Airlines is accusing anti-island-airport crusader city Councillor Adam Vaughan of mounting a "defamatory campaign" in recent days as he has called for the grounding of Porter's Bombardier Q400 planes over safety concerns.

Porter president Robert Deluce insists his turboprop planes flying out of Toronto City Centre Airport are safe, and defended a move by his lawyers to warn Mr. Vaughan about recent comments that the airline boss said were "malicious" and "crossed the line."

Mr. Deluce said his critics - including local activist group Community Air, and New Democratic MP Olivia Chow - are just trying to use the situation.

"It quite frankly smacks of outright political opportunism on their part to be trying to use an event such as this for their own purposes," Mr. Deluce said. "I find it disgusting."


Mr. Vaughan, a former CITY-TV reporter, has appeared on radio and issued a press release this week calling for Transport Canada to ground Porter's planes and investigate whether there are problems with the Q400's landing gear.

Three crash landings in seven weeks, along with other concerns, have prompted Scandinavian Airlines System to ground its 27 Q400s, and European officials to hold a "crisis meeting" with Bombardier and Transport Canada, although other airlines continue to fly them.

Transport Canada and Bombardier insist Porter's planes, which are newer than those flown by SAS, are safe, although Porter has also suffered two landing-gear incidents that Mr. Deluce says are not connected to the problems experienced by SAS.

Porter's lawyers, Ogilvy Renault, sent a fax to Mr. Vaughan just hours before he was to appear on CITY-TV on Tuesday night, complaining that he was using his broadcast appearances to "falsely suggest that Porter is operating a dangerous airline service."

The letter, signed by lawyer Orestes Pasparakis, says Mr. Vaughan's statements were "untrue, disparaging and defamatory" and warns Mr. Vaughan that Porter "will seek appropriate relief should defamatory statements be made" on his television show, called Hour Town. (In that broadcast, he stuck to the topic of recent shootings in the club district and did not focus on Porter.)

"Indeed, it is clear from his comments that Mr. Vaughan has no appreciation of the actual facts," the letter reads.

Mr. Vaughan (Ward 20, Trinity Spadina) said yesterday in an interview that he believed he had the right as a city councillor to speak out on public issues.

"I'm a city councillor speaking about public safety and about the configuration of an airport in a ward that I represent," Mr. Vaughan said. "... It's not me that's fear mongering. It's the reality that there's been a series of accidents."

He said he wanted to stress that he did not know whether Porter's Q400s would have the same problems as those of SAS, but wanted a thorough investigation.

Mr. Deluce yesterday offered to e-mail recordings to The Globe of the two interviews Mr. Vaughan did with CBC Radio and CFRB, but a spokesman later said this was not possible.
 
There have been a number of nose gear incidents on Airbus A320's over the past month. I wonder if Vaughn will call for the grounding of Air Canada's fleet of 320's? Maybe Pearson should be shut as well.

Malicious? Maybe. Opportunism? Absolutely.
 
If Bombardier gets the contract for the new LRVs from Transit City/Move Ontario, I'd actually really like to see Downsview be transferred from the DeHavilland/Bombardier Aerospace division (which has always been threatened by closure) to Bombardier Transportation, and become a LRV plant - Mississauga/Brampton, Waterloo Region (hopefully) Ottawa and the TTC will soon enter the LRV market. Plus the runway could be shut down, making Downsview Park easier to implement, and finally get some worthy density near Wilson Station. Thunder Bay could remain building heavy-rail vehicles like subway cars (the current order and another contract for our new DRL line), and GO Transit, maybe even VIA?

But that's my semi-realistic dream.

Oh, Unimaginative, I'm with you on the Adam Vaughan thing on this issue at least. It's one thing to oppose the Island Airport, it's another to use the Q400 landing gear issue (so far completely unrelated to Porter) to make headlines.
 
Presently, the Bombardier aircraft production facilities at Downsview are doing fine. They are the central production site for the Q-series of turboprops, which are selling quite well, and for the major components of the Global Express.

Converting the production facilities would be extremely expensive.
 
Plus the runway could be shit down

That would be quite a sight...

I'm glad you agree. I'm somewhat baffled that you support Adam Vaughan in general, though. He is the Liberal, after all, who defeated Helen Kennedy, the official NDP candidate. I supported Kennedy, against many of my Liberal friends, and I sure am happy that I did.

Interesting idea about converting Downsview. I think that the thousands of workers there are specialists in aircraft manufacturing, though, and I'm not sure how many of the skills would be transferable to railcars. It would be nice to get rid of that runway!
 
Just because my politics lean towards the NDP side, doesn't make me support all Dippers, or make me dislike all Liberals. I happen to really like my Liberal MP for example, and liked the Liberal MP I had in Brampton (but never cared for the Liberal MPP).

I thought Vaughan represented a real independent voice (though a loud, media savvy voice), and never really thought of him as having Liberal ties, or formal ties of any sort. He really impressed me during the Jane's Walks, and I usually like his political stands. Though this issue starts to make me see where those who don't like Vaughan get their views.

And I cleaned up that very unfortunate typo. I would also think that enough employees would be able to trade one manufacturing job to another - but at least it keeps Bombardier jobs in Downsview. I don't see much in the way of aerospace left in Toronto, especially with Boeing gone from Malton.
 
I wonder if Mr. Deluce thinks that if he starts enough litigation, against Air Canada, Adam Vaughn and who knows who else, people will forget to notice his airline isn't doing so well?
 

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