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Danforth Line 2 Scarborough Subway Extension

Her fingerprints are all over the SSE. It will make her look just as bad if not worse if the SSE costs go up and her original estimate was incorrect.
She already outed the story right after quitting as Planner. It was about a month later, it's all on a podcast I'll find and link. IIRC, Oliver, Pagliarro or Spurr...actually it was Pag, found the reports through FOI, broke the story in the Star, and then K filled in the details once the truth was out.

She was trying to make the best out of an impossible situation. And yes, she compromised herself, but if you really want the whole story, she comes out smelling 'acceptable under the circumstances' and everyone else involved comes out smelling like shid, if they're lucky.

There was far more than Tory swimming in la merde. Over half of council, Byford and others were all smeared in it. Byford, the two-faced weasel, started to spill the beans, and then promptly shid himself...not that it made much difference, there was so much to go around.

I'll find the link and post it, fear not. And put your best shiddy boots on...
 
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The smart political move would be the be the messenger. She was just doing her job, her ineffectual boss is the reason we are in the situation we are. Basically pin the blame on Tory since he was in charge, don't shoot the messenger which in this case is Keesmaat who was only doing what she was told. That would probably be the best way to play the game.
Tory has always said he listens to the experts. Keesmaat was the expert that Tory relied upon to build SSE.
To me it is crucially important that at least she bring up the astounding cost elevations of the SSE so as to kickstart a public debate. This needs to be a major election issue.
I don't think the cost has gone up one penny since she left. And if it does go up in future, it would likely be viewed that she couldn't do her job properly.
She already has the nickname of the planner without a plan.
 
How Toronto chief planner Jennifer Keesmaat tried to stop the Scarborough subway
NEWS Sep 02, 2017 by Jennifer Pagliaro Hamilton Spectator

In the lead-up to a crucial vote during which city council flip-flopped on transit plans to approve a multibillion-dollar subway in Scarborough, Jennifer Keesmaat went on the warpath.

In July 2013, the progressive chief planner — whose departure after five years at the helm was announced on Monday — was trying to make it known to anyone who would listen that a seven-stop light rail line the province had already agreed to pay for, and the city had already approved, was still the better option.

Hundreds of pages of emails obtained by the Toronto Star through freedom of information requests over the past two years show how Keesmaat became the subway's strongest critic on staff and tried — but ultimately failed — to prevent what some have called the biggest boondoggle of Toronto transit politics.

The number of reasons why the three-stop subway was a bad idea added up, Keesmaat agreed in one such email, to an "embarrassment of riches."

The push to build a subway in Scarborough was one of the most controversial projects advanced under Keesmaat's tenure at city hall, one that has complicated her legacy as a progressive city-builder. A compromise plan she later moved under Mayor John Tory today continues to unravel.

This is the untold story of how she tried behind the scenes to prevent the subway from being approved in the first place.

By the first week of July 2013, the future of transit in Scarborough was in limbo.

A surprise and illegal motion from Scarborough councillor and subway backer Glenn De Baeremaeker at an earlier May meeting during a completely unrelated debate — a move supported by then mayor Rob Ford — saw council sending mixed messages. They had endorsed a subway while having a signed agreement with the province's transit agency, Metrolinx, to build an LRT.

Metrolinx, unsurprisingly, demanded clarity, triggering another vote, which was scheduled for a July 16 council meeting.

City staff began preparing a report to help council decide how to proceed, meeting nightly at one point to meet the tight deadlines.

On July 2, Keesmaat emailed her superiors, then city manager Joe Pennachetti and deputy city manager John Livey.

She noted media reports that said TTC CEO Andy Byford was meeting Metrolinx officials to review the costs for proceeding with the subway following De Baeremaeker's motion.

But Keesmaat was not convinced the subway should be built at all.

"As we have discussed, there are different opinions as to the validity/relevance of these motions," Keesmaat wrote, referring to the reopening of the debate.

"I am well aware of the issues," Pennachetti responded, promising to convene a meeting of staff that day.

The next day, Keesmaat forwarded a proposed outline for the council report to Livey.

"This is the outline we are working with," she wrote.

Importantly, the outline included an example of what the planning department believed should be recommended: "For the reasons presented, subway is not the preferred technology to meet the future planning and transportation vision for this part of the city."

Several days later, Pennachetti asked a senior group of staff for further refinements to the draft report.

Keesmaat responded to that request to make a point: "The subway option DOES NOT make the list of (ten) priority projects when compared with other projects across the city."

It was followed by a warning.

"The quickness of the turn around has meant that we are struggling with a rationale, fair means of assessment," Keesmaat wrote.

Two days later, Keesmaat sent Byford an email with the subject line "LRT/Subway — URGENT."

"It is my understanding that your support of a subway for Scarborough is based on the projected increase in ridership," she began. "I would like a more fulsome understanding of (how) you attained this number."

"I have not forecast more riders," Byford responded. "We didn't reopen this debate so (it's) up to councillors to say if funds are available."

The emails reference a ridership number that would soon appear in the final version of the July report.

Though earlier analysis estimated the number of subway rush-hour riders by 2031 would be 9,500. That number had suddenly grown to 14,000.

That number was rarely discussed in any emailed conversations obtained by the Toronto Star before that report was tabled.

But the increase came as a surprise to Keesmaat. She was unaware it had apparently come from her own planning department, not the TTC, as the final report would later state.

Keesmaat declined to comment for this story. When asked previously about this exchange, the chief planner admitted the analysis leading up to the July vote was both "rushed" and "problematic".

Reached by the Star, Pennachetti said he was relying on Keesmaat, Byford and their teams to come up with the recommendations in the report. As for the ridership number, he said: "I don't have an explanation for that number because it was a transportation planning key issue to determine."
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By July 9, staff had a working draft of their report to council. A copy obtained by the Star shows that language warning against the perils of a switch to a subway was toned done significantly in the final report.

For example, a line that said: "At present, there is insufficient information available at this early stage on the net cost of maintaining and operating a proposed extension of the Bloor-Danforth subway" was removed entirely.

There were also several additions to the final report.

An entire section on ridership projections, focusing on the 14,000 figure, was added.

Importantly, this line was included in summary: "TTC staff have identified that either an LRT or subway can effectively serve the Scarborough RT transit corridor. Each technology option offers distinct advantages."

On July 10, Keesmaat emailed Pennachetti with the subject "Subway vs LRT" to offer more evidence of the LRT's benefits.

"Are you aware that the LRT travels through 3 priority neighbourhoods and the subway travels through one?"

"Are you aware that this will double the city's debt — the cost is 3 billion?"

Pennachetti appears to not have responded by email.

The next day, Keesmaat emailed Councillor Josh Matlow's senior policy adviser, Andrew Athanasiu, who had asked for information to support an opinion piece he was drafting to send to the Toronto Star. Matlow had been strongly opposed to the push for a subway from the beginning.

Keesmaat told him they were still working on the report to council, due the next day, and that it had been a "significant negotiation around the table." She wanted to know what kind of material he needed.

Athanasiu responded that the piece had already been submitted. "That's fine," he said. "There's an embarrassment of riches as to why this is a bad idea."

"It is an embarrassment of riches," Keesmaat replied. "It is a significant overbuilding of the needed infrastructure."

She also noted the cost for a subway, as spelled out in the report, would be "mind boggling" — much higher than anticipated.

"Has this changed Joe P's mind at all?" Athanasiu asked, inquiring about the city manager.

Keesmaat didn't answer that question in her subsequent email.

Emails also show that in July staff were monitoring Keesmaat's tweets and printing them out for her superior, Livey, to see.

In an email this week, Livey said: "Since I did not access Twitter regularly, I asked staff to print them for me. Staff regularly receive media and social media updates/clippings from strategic communications to help better inform us of the coverage on topics of high interest to the public."

When the report was finalized, the recommendations were not at all what Keesmaat had earlier envisioned.

Instead, it gave council a choice, presenting the subway and the LRT as potential equals, with some caveats. In doing so, staff told council to choose instead of making a firm recommendation as the original outline had done.

The 45-member council convened on July 16 to discuss the report and make a choice.

It wasn't even close. Council voted instead to build a subway, 28-16 (one councillor was absent).

The subway was again confirmed in a subsequent vote in October, which approved a tax increase to help cover the more than billion-dollar increase in costs. In the years that followed, Keesmaat worked to create a compromise that Mayor John Tory, who campaigned on building the subway, and his allies could support.

It involved reducing the number of stops from three to one and pitching that the savings could be used to build an extension of the Eglinton Crosstown LRT to the University of Toronto's Scarborough campus.

In presenting the idea she argued an "express" subway — a favoured term of Tory's — could be beneficial in the context of a network plan.

But since that plan was unveiled, mounting costs related to the subway have meant the funds already set aside may not even cover the cost of the subway, let alone the LRT.

And a recently published study on the subway estimates that in 2055, trains will still be two-thirds empty at rush hour — which would mean steep costs for the city to operate it.

Announcing she'll decamp from her post at the end of September this year, Keesmaat will be long gone before any of it is hashed out at council and construction green-lighted.

At that July debate, Matlow, fighting to keep the LRT plan in place, asked Keesmaat to address the bigger question directly, out in the open. Which would be better for the city?

Keesmaat, on her feet in the cavernous council chamber, tried to make it clear.

"Based on the criteria that we have for great city-building, looking at economic development, supporting healthy neighbourhoods, affordability, choice in the system, the LRT option is, in fact, more desirable."

"I just want to make sure that my colleagues heard that," Matlow said as his time to question ran out. "So, you're saying that all of the evidence-based criteria that you're using, the LRT for this specific route is the preferred option for Scarborough and Toronto."

"That's correct," Keesmaat said.

Toronto Star
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/...eesmaat-tried-to-stop-the-scarborough-subway/

See Also:
John Tory’s favoured Scarborough subway was ‘drawn on the back of a napkin’ when council chose it over LRT, critics charge
By JENNIFER PAGLIAROCity Hall Bureau
Fri., April 13, 2018
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...council-chose-it-over-lrt-critics-charge.html

There's a lot more to come out yet. Tory had best schedule some meetings with his lawyers...
 
Tory has always said he listens to the experts. Keesmaat was the expert that Tory relied upon to build SSE.

Keesmaat made it quite clear she felt the LRT was the best solution on the table.

The one stop plan with the Eglinton East LRT extension was the solution she helped devise in order to appeal to both the populist vote buyers and those who actually cared about building effective transit in Toronto.

I don't think the cost has gone up one penny since she left. And if it does go up in future, it would likely be viewed that she couldn't do her job properly.
She already has the nickname of the planner without a plan.

I'm sure it's gone up significantly - common sense would indicate that the only way to go is up given the dramatic cost increases we've seen in a relatively short period of time. The city report that outlined the cost did indicate it could rise up to $5 billion since many of the details hadn't been worked on yet. As Keesmaat pointed out more than once, the process was rushed, something she was not in favour of.

She did a good job given the context of the situation - city council demanded a subway, and that's what she gave them.
 
Perhaps this is leaking from another forum string more apt, but it follows from the above string: (I'll post and discuss it further when I find the most apt string, this is dynamite)
John Tory’s SmartTrack plan faces uncertain fate as PCs refuse to commit to key policy
By BEN SPURRTransportation Reporter
Sat., Aug. 4, 2018
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...te-as-pcs-refuse-to-commit-to-key-policy.html

But while I have your attention, let's discuss the "Audit":
Reevely: Five-week audit to sort out government finances, Ford

Well, if Ford wants an effective audit, best he start with SSE...
 
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Perhaps this is leaking from another forum string more apt, but it follows from the above string: (I'll post and discuss it further when I find the most apt string, this is dynamite)
John Tory’s SmartTrack plan faces uncertain fate as PCs refuse to commit to key policy
By BEN SPURRTransportation Reporter
Sat., Aug. 4, 2018
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...te-as-pcs-refuse-to-commit-to-key-policy.html

But while I have your attention, let's discuss the "Audit":
Reevely: Five-week audit to sort out government finances, Ford

Well, if Ford wants an effective audit, best he start with SSE...

An audit would be just what the doctor ordered if it finds that a 3-stop extension of the subway can be built for the same pricetag as one.
 
An audit would be just what the doctor ordered if it finds that a 3-stop extension of the subway can be built for the same pricetag as one.
I think an audit would find a lot more than that, and not to your liking. At the least, if the audit were made public, it would be a reckoning.

Bring it on...and Keesmaat will have a heyday...make hey while the sun shines...

Btw:
An audit would be just what the doctor ordered if it finds that a 3-stop extension of the subway can be built for the same pricetag as one.
That's quite the arithmetic bafflegab....
 
And yet Downtown Toronto is the most successful part of the GTHA, while the rest of the Core area's stagnate or grow at a slow rate. If the only thing your downtown core has to offer is cars, cars, cars then its doomed to failure. Automotive Suburbs don't make good cities. Compare that to Downtown which is dense, and compact to the point you can walk or bike wherever; have a wealth of transit options at your doorstep (Streetcars, Bus, Subway, and Intercity Rail and even a small Airport) and its no mystery why Downtown has been seeing growth since the early 1900's. Always remember what built Downtown was not the Car or the Subway but infact the Streetcars in a denser urban grid.

Mississauga has thankfully figured this out with the Hurontario LRT, now if only they could integrate Streetsville GO into the Downtown plan. Unfortunately there is a block or two of suburban hell in between that needs to be dealt with.

A large part of that outer-core stagnation is precisely because rapid transit was not put into place concurrent with development. Development occurred in spite of the lack of mass transit connectivity. This phenomenon isn't unique to the outer-suburbs either if Humber Bay Shores, Liberty Village and CityPlace are any indication despite each being a stone's throw away from highways and railways.

But as I've said many times, everyone cannot afford or may even not desire to live downtown. More efforts should be made "densify" other areas of the city and region and if one wants to get from northern Scarborough or northern Etobicoke (or commute to those points from the outlying 905 areas) to connect to downtown: a trunk grade-separated mass transit system ought to be in place to accommodate those poor souls that really need it. In Scarborough's case we're only talking 3-4 more subway stops to fulfill this basic requirement (to Malvern or Finch/McCowan would be even better, but I digress), of which billion$ are already earmarked in the piggybank. Just build it already!
 
I am pretty sure that MCC, STC, and downtown Toronto are all served by one highway each. MCC has 403. STC has 401. Downtown Toronto has the gardner/DVP combo. If your idea of a central location is one that has access to highways then you must love VCC which has the 400 and 407 pass it.
Thanks for recognizing downtown as elite though. That's about the only thing you got accurate in your post.

If you want a localized example of a city region with a highway system that's grown and kept pace with the times and makes their entire metro area accessible from all points: look to Kitchener-Waterloo. Conestoga Pkwy (the combined tapestry of Highway 7, Highway 8 and Highway 85) truly links up all the neighbourhoods/nodes really well and there's none of this NIMBY BS about how a highway has cut off communities or whatnot. But then again their highway system was built in a different era. Sigh!

The GTA's highway network on the other is 1950s' infrastructure trying to keep pace with 21st century population growth and demand.
 
Well If Scarborough wanted to care about transit for its Downtown, its Downtown would be at what is today Kennedy and Eglinton. That intersection just so happens to be on Eglinton which is Scarborough's Yonge Street, has Subway access (and eventually LRT access, although I can't hold this against the people of yesterday they could never have predicted the EC), and GO Train access. Not building on Eglinton was a boneheaded move considering even by the 70's it should have been clear Eglinton was going to be a major artery for the city. Hell the Scarborough City Centre being on Eglinton probably could have helped make a case for the Scarborough Expressway since it would have been a short trip south.

Hurontario and the 403 is pretty to the geographic centre of Mississauga. Likewise, so is McCowan and Ellesmere relative to Scarborough's centre. So coming from all directions they are central focal points. I would certainly think more highly of city planners from the 1970s for not basing their city building strategies on the possibility of a faint subway connection from Toronto 50-100 years out.
 
Sounds like you just want more highways to make the burbs better in your no nimby utopia. Maybe you should try to get the Scarborough expressway built. After all really it sounds as if you are only advocating for subways, subways, subways, so that they won't be road blocking your car, car, car. ("The highest ratio of car ownership was in Etobicoke and Scarborough, where there was an average of 1.3 vehicles per property. The old City of Toronto had the least amount of cars, on average 0.9 per home." https://www.blogto.com/city/2014/07/how_many_cars_are_on_the_road_in_toronto/)And let's be as honest as you were in your previous statement when you said everyone "may even not desire to live downtown." Even if there was a subway in certain places everyone may not even desire to take public transit. Yet you are asking for everyone to pay for your subway. http://www.gettorontomoving.ca/scarborough-expressway.html By the way I live at Eglinton and love Cedervale Park and would not be happy if it was gone for the Spadina expressway. Also I did the Jazz half marathon last week where the Scarbrorough expressway would have been. I am also happy that it doesn't exist. Maybe I am the nimby you are complaining about.
 
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An audit would be just what the doctor ordered if it finds that a 3-stop extension of the subway can be built for the same pricetag as one.
I recall there was some type audit or value engineering done when they came up with the huge bus terminal. The scope of that VE precluded any real savings being realized. No doubt is can be built cheaper, it's just whether they are allowed to ask the right questions. Look at all the studies that have been done so far and you can see how limiting the scope is the key to ahieving the goal.
SRT refurbishment was found to be the best option in 2006, and then it wasn't carried forward.
Connected SRT/ECLRT was found to be the best option in 2012 and then is wasn't carried forward.
As long as politicians could study between bad and worse, they could get the results they want.

A true study of this would likely find the connected ECLRT/SRT is best, but too late to implement.
I think an audit would find a lot more than that, and not to your liking. At the least, if the audit were made public, it would be a reckoning.

Bring it on...and Keesmaat will have a heyday...make hey while the sun shines...
Tory's campaign in 2014 was not so much that the SSE was the best choice - it was that City Council had already decided and the Experts (Keesmaat and Byford) were also supporting it. The revised 1-stop SSE was viewed as Keesmaat finding a way to fund SSE and EELRT.
Scarborough subway would shrink under plan to extend Eglinton Crosstown
The report from the city planning department, led by Jennifer Keesmaat, is a big plus for backers of the subway. Ms. Keesmaat had complained that when city staff put together an analysis in 2013, the process was rushed and "chaotic."

The endorsement by Ms. Keesmaat's department makes it harder for critics to argue that the new project, with an LRT thrown in, does not serve the city's transit and development needs.
The only two options for Keesmaat are that she was so incompetent that she could not study facts properly, or she was such a poor leader that she was not able to articulate a better solution.
 
The only two options for Keesmaat are that she was so incompetent that she could not study facts properly, or she was such a poor leader that she was not able to articulate a better solution.
Or that you're not facing the facts. Keesmaat wasn't a "leader". She was a planner. And when she attempted to effect a better plan, she was summarily knocked down by Tory.

How short the memory:
How Toronto chief planner Jennifer Keesmaat tried to stop the the Scarborough subway

Whole article is based on FOI emails, memos, reports and documented statements.
Hundreds of pages of emails obtained by the Toronto Star through freedom of information requests over the past two years show how Keesmaat became the subway's strongest critic on staff and tried — but ultimately failed — to prevent what some have called the biggest boondoggle of Toronto transit politics. [...]

Over to you...
 
That article says she tried to stop it in 2013. It does not mention, but my links show that she strongly supported the 1 stop SSE again in 2016. And there is no mention of the combined ECLRT/SRT, which was found to be the best in 2012 and would have been acceptable to all side if she truly cared about fact based transit.
 

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