Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
But you guys, cost doesn’t matter. Scarborough deserves Respect.
And you need a swift kick in your ass!
But you guys, cost doesn’t matter. Scarborough deserves Respect.
And you need a swift kick in your ass!
Anyone who believe the one stop subway wasn't going to cost much are seeing the results how wrong they were. I knew the numbers were wrong on day one and have waited for that other shoes to fall
Anyone who thinks they will be riding this extension come 2029 as claim by Tory, have rosy glasses on. It will be the mid 30's, if not 40's before they do.
Ford is great at talking subway's and will be talking subway when he is shown the door with nothing to show for his time in office. If anything does get built, it will be a strip down cheap system that going to have to be rebuilt on someone else dime while in power.
The longer things get push off, it only going to cost more money to do it then compare today, as well of all kinds of problems. The SRT will be dead before this white elephant is running.
What's with the 2029 date? It's planned to open 2026 no?
Egllnton tunnelling started in 2012, and it's expected to open in 2021 or 2022.What's with the 2029 date? It's planned to open 2026 no?
Judging how it was doing this winter, I'm not surprised it may even go out before 2026.Watching everything the naysayers have ever said about this project come true has been fascinating. And I mean that in the more morbid way possible. I've been pretty damn pessimistic about this project, and even I never thought it would get anywhere close to $4 Billion.
This. This new bullshit plan from Ford is going to take five years to get to the point where it's construction ready, assuming that the plan isn't upended a half dozen times in that time period (ha!). It would take an extreme stroke of luck to see this up and running anytime before 2030.
Politicians have mastered the art of selling transit to voters. But just because you sold it, doesn't mean you actually have to build it. The longer they drag this process out, the longer they can campaign on the proposal. They really have no incentive to get this thing ever built.
Yeah, my fear is that if this ever does get built, so many corners are going to be cut that we're going to have to spend billions on massive upgrades a few decades from now anyways (sound familiar? It's exactly what happened with the SRT). I have the same fear of the DRL as well. I have zero faith in Ford's Metrolinx to handle this competently at all. I'd much rather them just not build anything at this point. Do it right or just don't do it at all.
At this point I don't even find myself caring about this specifics of the subway proposal. It's not going to be built anyways. My primary concern now is just what the hell are we going to do about the SRT. The 10-year life extension will expire in 2026, and I don't think we can get any more life out of the line than that. The trains are having all kinds of structural issues that can't be fixed with a bandaid repair. There is a non-insignificant chance that the SRT is going to be decommissioned without a replacement ready due to our decision paralysis. 2026 isn't that far away; we've already been discussing its replacement for 14 years.
We better have Vancouver's TransLink on speed dial, because I suspect we might end up purchasing their worn out ICTS MK 1 vehicles whenever they're ready to decommission.
FYI, Metrolinx did propose a similar plan involving a loop at Kennedy station, and a surface alignment on the SRT corridor. Not sure if you were aware
Yes, but that was before Eglinton LRT was tendered and Kennedy station could be radically modified.
If the LRT plan went ahead as plan
This is more of a question out of curiosity, but why did they build Kennedy Station at this angle originally anyways? Wouldn't an alignment parallel to either, Eglinton Ave, NE/SW rail corridor, or N/S rail corridor make more sense?Did some more research, and it turns out that I remembered incorrectly. Metrolinx never proposed building a loop at Kennedy Station. Rather, they proposed building a new Kennedy Station, to allow the Line 2 trains to get on the SRT corridor:
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I've attached the full report PDF to this comment. I recommend saving it, lest Metrolinx try to delete it at some point in the future.
The loop proposal we were thinking of was actually proposed by the TTC some time later, in an attempt to save money by getting the subway on the SRT corridor. The plan was scrapped, because it ended up being nearly as expensive, and tremendously increased travel time, among other negative impacts. I'm still trying to dig up some specific reporting on that proposal. It was discussed extensively in this thread though, so I'm sure at least one of us has the information on hand.
With that being considered, I'm not sure that what you said about the loop necessitating a relocation of the Eglinton LRT platform box holds true anymore. The proposed loop would be an easterly extension of the route labeled "existing subway tunnel" in the diagram. I don't see how that would interfere with the ECLRT station box.
I have my doubts about the affordability of this all. The loop would be extremely expensive, and so would demolishing and building new elevated guideways. This route is also by far the longest proposed Scarborough Subway route to date, which adds costs and increases travel time (thus decreasing ridership). That's the reason why TTC shot down this proposal in the first place. The traditional three-stop McCowan alignment is likely better bang for our buck.
Of course this comment assumes the the province is planning to run the subway on the surface in the SRT corridor. If their preferred alignment is indeed that bizarre alignment in the CBC article... well I'm not even going to bother analyzing that mess. The problems should be self-evident
I'd say it should have been parallel to neither.This is more of a question out of curiosity, but why did they build Kennedy Station at this angle originally anyways? Wouldn't an alignment parallel to either, Eglinton Ave, NE/SW rail corridor, or N/S rail corridor make more sense?
Did some more research, and it turns out that I remembered incorrectly. Metrolinx never proposed building a loop at Kennedy Station. Rather, they proposed building a new Kennedy Station, to allow the Line 2 trains to get on the SRT corridor:
Are we fighting today? Give me a time and place. Not picking sides, but a transit nerd brawl sounds like quality entertainment. I’ll bring a steel chair!