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Brampton Transit/Zum

Allandale25 said:
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
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How it plays out? It is just another politics to the max move by a very divided council. Brampton Transit is not, by far, the most important or needy transit issue in town (sure, like all transit agencies it could be bigger and better but, for the most part it works quite well)...the issues are in how or if we link to the rest of the region....so the issues to be dealt with by a transit committee would be external....and what other level of government is ever going to work with a transit committee structured without any transit expertise on it and without the support of the Mayor of the city?
 
TOareaFan said:
How it plays out? It is just another politics to the max move by a very divided council. Brampton Transit is not, by far, the most important or needy transit issue in town (sure, like all transit agencies it could be bigger and better but, for the most part it works quite well)...the issues are in how or if we link to the rest of the region....so the issues to be dealt with by a transit committee would be external....and what other level of government is ever going to work with a transit committee structured without any transit expertise on it and without the support of the Mayor of the city?
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I didn't mean "plays out" in a cynical or political way. It's just a phrase. I guess I should've said "we'll see what happens next".

In terms of the mandate of the new Committee, I don't think the actual motion is up so I don't know if we can say at this point if it will only focus on regional-connections issues (IE GO, HSR) or external and internal issues (IE Brampton Transit). The comments in the article by Councillor Palleschi reference his view of Brampton Transit and another Councillor reference the growth of Züm. Also, given the alternative to the HMLRT EA process is being led by the City of Brampton, I think it's safe to assume some members of this new Committee may ask for funding before the EA is done for it (IE either McLaughlin or Kennedy) and the project could be considered "internal" or at least a hybrid of internal/external, I'm my opinion. The Committee may also want to seek more funding to further implement the Züm routes.

How other levels of government receive the Committee or any meetings is an open question. Maybe as time goes on, as you've suggested, the work of the Committee will only focus on GO and HSR. We'll see what happens.
 
http://www.brampton.ca/EN/residents/transit/service-alerts/Pages/Transit-Updates.aspx#132

The 2017 Service plan seems to have been changed recently, with the addition of a 501C route. It definitely wasn't there when the plan was first revealed.
But, no map of its actual route.


Route 501C Züm Queen
A new service option for 501 Züm Queen will be the Route 501C. It will operate during weekday peak periods between Bramalea Terminal and York University, via Queen Street and Highway 407. 501C trips will supplement the regularly scheduled 501A service.
 
johntauren said:
http://www.brampton.ca/EN/residents/transit/service-alerts/Pages/Transit-Updates.aspx#132

The 2017 Service plan seems to have been changed recently, with the addition of a 501C route. It definitely wasn't there when the plan was first revealed.
But, no map of its actual route.


Route 501C Züm Queen
A new service option for 501 Züm Queen will be the Route 501C. It will operate during weekday peak periods between Bramalea Terminal and York University, via Queen Street and Highway 407. 501C trips will supplement the regularly scheduled 501A service.
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So, essentially, a 501 that "short turns" at Bramalea?
 
The September changes are up:

http://www.brampton.ca/EN/residents/transit/plan-your-trip/Pages/September-Improvements-Preview.aspx

They are a slight disappointment from what was presented last spring. Only one new route - 104 Chinguacousy Express - is introduced, though there are new "C" branches of 501 and 511.

Route 501C is a scheduled short-turn service between Bramalea Terminal and York University, operating only during rush hours, September-April, in addition to the 501 and 501A branches. There are some errors, though on the new PDF schedule, where 501A runs are marked as 501, etc: http://www.brampton.ca/EN/residents...Documents/Route_Cards_Preview/501_print_4.pdf

Route 511C is basically an extension of the 511A to Sheridan College, again, only during peak hours, September to April.

Otherwise, a mash of schedule adjustments and minor service improvements. No changes to existing routes that were presented, or new Route 27 in the northwest.

Route 60 is especially confusing. Brampton Transit planned to extend it south to Meadowvale GO Station, but the service change noted says it will be "re-aligned to service Royal West Drive and Williams Parkway [...] 60 minute Weekday mid-day, evening and Saturday service added" - both these changes were done last year.
 
Brampton Transit tweeting out a reminder of service to the new subway extension:

https://twitter.com/BramptonTransit/status/935147536029048832

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Not sure how hard or time consuming it would be to have the 501A and 501C route through the 407 station on, at least, the EB leg of its trip....but what they have done is make the the slower 501 the only choice for riders that are connecting to the the subway but not headed to York.....that loop around on Keele, through campus to the York U station removes the speed advantage being on the 407 provides.
 

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probably is still faster. Going down Keele to get to York U isn't that bad, especially since York Region is widening Keele north of Steeles next year. A 407 station connection would be ideal, but it's not a total disaster. Agreed on them at least putting a stop on street on Jane beside the 407 station though.
 
TOareaFan said:
Brampton Transit tweeting out a reminder of service to the new subway extension:

https://twitter.com/BramptonTransit/status/935147536029048832

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Not sure how hard or time consuming it would be to have the 501A and 501C route through the 407 station on, at least, the EB leg of its trip....but what they have done is make the the slower 501 the only choice for riders that are connecting to the the subway but not headed to York.....that loop around on Keele, through campus to the York U station removes the speed advantage being on the 407 provides.
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Should also note that whoever put that page together should be fired.

The text clearly says that all 3 routes go to York University station....but the lines on the map accompanying it show the routes going through Pioneer Village stations and bypassing York University station.
 
TOareaFan said:
Should also note that whoever put that page together should be fired.

The text clearly says that all 3 routes go to York University station....but the lines on the map accompanying it show the routes going through Pioneer Village stations and bypassing York University station.
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That's because of the layout of the area.
Zum buses never served the main bus loop where the York U station actually, they stop just north.
And the Pioneer Villager is right under Steeles.

It's not incorrect, just somewhat misleading.
 
johntauren said:
That's because of the layout of the area.
Zum buses never served the main bus loop where the York U station actually, they stop just north.
And the Pioneer Villager is right under Steeles.

It's not incorrect, just somewhat misleading.
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It is intended as a customer service aid not a "to scale, exact depiction of the area" type map.....and it shows the 3 bus routes going through and connecting with the Pioneer Village station and bypassing the York U station......it is very much incorrect because the exact opposite, and what they were attempting to communicate, is true.
 
TOareaFan said:
It is intended as a customer service aid not a "to scale, exact depiction of the area" type map.....and it shows the 3 bus routes going through and connecting with the Pioneer Village station and bypassing the York U station......it is very much incorrect because the exact opposite, and what they were attempting to communicate, is true.
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The map clearly says the the circles are stops for the routes, not the TTC logos for the subway stations. It might have been better if the logo for Pioneer Village was either a bit above or below the lines for Steeles Ave, but it’s not as misleading as you say it is.

Also, stopping at the stations does not mean directly at the station entrance, as Zum has always stopped on the ring road at York U, not at the TTC/GO terminals, and the York University Subway Station does not have a bus terminal.
 
TOareaFan said:
It is intended as a customer service aid not a "to scale, exact depiction of the area" type map.....and it shows the 3 bus routes going through and connecting with the Pioneer Village station and bypassing the York U station......it is very much incorrect because the exact opposite, and what they were attempting to communicate, is true.
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You're needlessly harsh there. The map clearly shows the Zum stops, similar to how the BT system map displays them. Furthermore, the Pioneer Village and 407 stations are greyed out. It's pretty clear to me that 501/501A/501C bypass Pioneer Village Station, and stop just north of the York U Station entrance, where they currently stop.
 
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