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Highly appropriate and not the least bit surprising.BRT has been recommended for Queen Street.
Highly appropriate and not the least bit surprising.BRT has been recommended for Queen Street.
Just as Hurontario was always going to be LRT.....Queen was always going to be BRT.I looked at the metrolinx study, and they never considered any tunneling at all through downtown brampton, and assume the same speeds with LRT vs BRT (and never consider proper grade seperation - just signal priority). I would call that rigged to BRT, and not properly accounting for the potential of a proper, grade separated route along this corridor.
Honestly, none of it is "necessary" it makes them feel good that's about it.^ Part of the consultation for the Queen BRT is getting feedback on the dedicated right-of-way for Queen as they have presented three options. Also to educate the public on the changes that will happen. So, some of it is necessary.
I agree...I do not expect it to change.....but the public consultation process is a sham and waste of time.^ I see the desire for a faster approval process and ability to get shovels in the ground, but I just don't realistically see it drastically change. It would probably require some sort of the legislative change for the EA/TPAP process to reduce or eliminate the review period and public consultations, and there would be backlash. I don't see any of the four major parties doing it. Maybe there are more constructive ways to make the existing process better.
Just as Hurontario was always going to be LRT.....Queen was always going to be BRT.
The shame is that we have to go through the time and expense of sham reviews and consultations.
I am also a resident....and the way I look at is this....if you "go by the numbers" both corridors should be BRT....but that is not how things are done.....and what really happened here is thatBut for Brampton, you can see how this doesn't really make sense, right? Hurontario (in Brampton) is far lower density and has no major points of interest other than the downtown end point. Queen street gets far more traffic than Main (27k vs 17k daily riders), has lots of built up density with plenty of opportunities for more, and links to some major employment centers. So as a resident, I find metrolinx obsession with Main over Queen in Brampton to be perplexing.
Note that I would not have canned the Main LRT either - despite these comments as it is really just the tacked on end to an important line for Mississauga that would have improved connectivity. But I still find it perplexing.
I am also a resident....and the way I look at is this....if you "go by the numbers" both corridors should be BRT....but that is not how things are done.....and what really happened here is that
The similarity is that in both corridors the tech solution was decided outside of Brampton by neighbouring municipalities......in one they got it wrong and in the other they got it right.
- Mississauga wanted LRT and the province supported that....so the only way BRT makes sense on Main would be if the LRT stopped just south of the 407 (where the maintenance and storage facility will be) and Brampton ran BRT to that point.....but what happened is the LRT was planned to be extended up to Brampton GO....and we ended up with the mess/battle/deadlock we have now.
- Similarly, whatever "RT" is built on Queen needs to meet the York Region system in a very smooth fashion....and since they are well along in building their BRT and extending it right out to highway 50....it would be very awkward if Brampton/Ontario decided that LRT was the right thing for Queen
I work in government and employees usually call this "Decision based evidence making" when we're given direction to prepare a report when upper management has already decided what's going to be done.Just as Hurontario was always going to be LRT.....Queen was always going to be BRT.
The shame is that we have to go through the time and expense of sham reviews and consultations.