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A Revitalized Toronto Pins Its Hopes on the Hobbits: NYTimes

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Then I stand corrected on Miss Saigon. But like I said, the North American premiere of Mamma Mia.

Whatever. The point is, though minor compared to NY and London, Toronto is at least something of a player at this--much more so than most places.
 
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"Ragtime" and "Kiss of the Spider Woman" (with a triumphant Brent Carver) also debuted in T.O., along with a major revival of "Showboat" which were all products of the Drabinsky empire and which were all Broadway/Tony-bound, and which in part explains the reputation this city once had as an important centre for theatre (commercial theatre, at least).

Although this article is annoying and slightly inaccurate - "Wicked" left because it was prescheduled to leave, but is being brought back this fall precisely because of high demand in the city - it does point out some home truths: This city did languish for well over a decade while many large American cities, like Chicago, were reinventing themselves and sprucing themselves up. This has been discussed here time and time and again: shoddy and banal architecture, decaying public infrastructure, lack of urban planning or vision, and a generally neglected urban fabric. Accordingly, perceptions have also changed drastically since the 80s when T.O. was seen as 'safe' and 'clean' while the American cities - NYC included - were perceived as dangerous and dirty. For many years Toronto has allowed its problems with violence, homelessness and general urban decay to fester to a point where those old perceptions seem like distant memories now, and may not even be within memory for a generation of new tourists.

Lets face it, when you're in the big leagues people are going to take shots. No problem. These shots may sting a little, not because of the article's ignorance, but rather because of its insight.
 
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For many years Toronto has allowed its problems with violence, homelessness and general urban decay to fester to a point where those old perceptions seem like distant memories now, and may not even be within memory for a generation of new tourists.

The city could certainly use some work on streetscaping, and the subway should be expanded, but "urban decay" is stretching it. For all the reinvention cities like NYC and Chicago have done, you still will find decay far worse than anything you'll find in Toronto.

It's more a matter of perception than anything - Toronto has not been successful at changing people's perceptions of the city, while Chicago and NYC have. Of course, they're lucky...they have a well established brand to build on, while those in charge of marketing Toronto are still coming up with generic nonsense like "Toronto Unlimited".
 
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Megamusicals, schmegaschmusicals. Their central demo is the same mindset that'd be easy marks for miketoronto propaganda. That says it all
 
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True, but a sucessful megamusical produces a lot of the rasion d'etre of all theatre: bums in seats.
 
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By "bums", do you mean "backsides", or "Harry Stinson lookalikes who smell of urine and alcohol"?
 
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"I love legitimate the-ay-ter"
 
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The theatre owners, the producers, the directors, the actors, the set, lighting and costume designers don't care, so long as the seat is paid for.
 
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^...and neither do restaurant/club/bar and hotel owners, store owners and cab drivers etc., etc. It's all good and everybody wins. City Hall and Queen's Park rake in more taxes and maybe (just maybe) somebody visiting T.O. to see a megamusical might purchase a ticket to see something else.

By the way, the article also knocks a so-called "West End" aesthetic which apparantly we follow here in Toronto, claiming that American theatre somehow maintains far superior and less populous standards....is he/she joking??? I mean, name a major hit on Broadway in the past decade that wasn't a) a British import (musical or otherwise), b) a massive revival of a past glory, or c) a reworking of a t.v. show or Disney movie...
 
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Last night I heard the electrifying Leila Josefowicz and her electric violin perform 'The Dharma at Big Sur' at Roy Thomson Hall.

About 50% of the seats were bumless - but what a thrilling evening! I'll take 25 minutes of this over three and a half hours of musical pap and bloated stage effects any day.
 
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Just an inquiry from one who's too wallflowerish-by-disposition to frequent either: how does the cost of admission compare? (Might be an interesting "value"--rather than just "values"--argument there...)
 
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I mean, name a major hit on Broadway in the past decade that wasn't a) a British import (musical or otherwise), b) a massive revival of a past glory, or c) a reworking of a t.v. show or Disney movie...

The Light In The Piazza. It opened last spring for a limited run until July. That was extended to December 31, then to last month, then to July of this year. It is, in a word, fantastic.
 
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^ Andrea, I was totally being facetious in reaction to the overblown comments in the article. I have heard good things about that show too. I love Broadway theatre, and West End theatre, megamusicals and all. Guilty pleasure I guess. The breadth and depth of theatre in those cities sets them apart in a way that it seems silly to try and compare Chicago or Toronto to them, and we could spend all day debating whether Chicago or Toronto is next in importance but who really cares? The surge in Toronto in the 80s was probably due to soaring tourism from the States which is clearly no longer a factor. No doubt the Toronto theatre scene will find a size and scope that is sustainable here and will suit us just fine.
 
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Then, maybe, are megamusicals simply a stuck-in-the-80s phenomenon? Y'know, throwbacks to the vulgar-middlebrow golden age of Princess Di and "The Lady In Red"...
 
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Easy! Some of us worshipped at the altar of St. Diana of Sloane in those days, and have been to see her relics both times they've been displayed here.
 

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