Towered
Senior Member
I agree, I think he's largely remembered somewhat fondly by many.
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44th Canadian Federal Election
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I agree, I think he's largely remembered somewhat fondly by many.
Jonny5
Senior Member
Get ready for some fun!
Richard White
Senior Member
I am a staunch NDP supporter since I was 18. Chretien was probably the only reason I'd have voted liberal if not for the fact he left office before I turned 18 (I turned 18 in 2005).
He's a great man, a great statesman and someone people from every political party could respect.
Speaking of Chretien it's ironic really. With all the protests at campaign events I was fully expecting Trudeau to strangle a protestor.
Videodrome
Senior Member
PPC surge time. Erin has been defending and praising Kenney for a while and now he will have to deal with this mess.
Richard White
Senior Member
I can see this turning into a 93 style election with the PPC playing the part of the reform party.
lenaitch
Senior Member
Quick on his feet, that one. Don't sign up for a guest spot on The Debaters.
Bjays92
Senior Member
Diverging slightly from the current topic of discussion, does anyone else feel we've lost the ability to have rational debate?
I got called a coward and a nazi supporter today for suggesting we shouldn't dehumanize people even if they were PPC supporters. I didn't think that being against dehumanization would be a controversial viewpoint but my comment got flooded by people telling me how I was wrong and anyone who supports the PPC should be ostracized, treated like trash and driven out of the country.
I emphasized that we should stand up to them and challenge their viewpoints, but using their own playbook against them only.serves to justify their antics in my opinion.
I really thought that Canada wouldnt be subject to all the decay that we've seen in the US but that seems to not be the case. Or is it just me?
I got called a coward and a nazi supporter today for suggesting we shouldn't dehumanize people even if they were PPC supporters. I didn't think that being against dehumanization would be a controversial viewpoint but my comment got flooded by people telling me how I was wrong and anyone who supports the PPC should be ostracized, treated like trash and driven out of the country.
I emphasized that we should stand up to them and challenge their viewpoints, but using their own playbook against them only.serves to justify their antics in my opinion.
I really thought that Canada wouldnt be subject to all the decay that we've seen in the US but that seems to not be the case. Or is it just me?
Videodrome
Senior Member
There is a literal prominent Nazi type urging people to vote PPC and many far right and white nationalist groups strongly support them. Now, I content that some of them are too dumb to realize that their antics just help Trudeau.
Bjays92
Senior Member
Right but even still does that justify dehumanizing PPC supporters?
Like I abhor the PPC and it makes me sad that they have any traction but I dont ever think there is a time and a place to dehumanize people even if they are dehumanizing others themselves.
We are all still people at the end of the day.
Videodrome
Senior Member
They kind of dehumanize themselves at times. The people throwing rocks at the PM or insulting his wife....
slickpete83
Active Member
yes I agree Bjays92,
the PPC was my second choice after i read their website and listened to PPC candidates, i agree with the freedom issues but disagree with some other policy specially when it comes to monetary policy & economics
funny enough ,even the immigrants are starting to realize that this "woke" & "cancel culture" sucks lol.., was listening to Manjeet Singh PPC candidate interview on OMNI tv
I still dont understand why most people just assume the PPC is a group of white rural racist men, just look at their diverse group of candidates here in the GTA
BRAMPTON EAST
Manjeet SinghBRAMPTON WEST
Rahul SamuelMISSISSAUGA–STREETSVILLE
Gurdeep WoloszSCARBOROUGH–ROUGE PARK
Asad RehmanTORONTO CENTRE
Syed JafferyWILLOWDALE
Al Wahab
YORK CENTRE
Nixon NguyenYORK SOUTH–WESTON
Sitara ChiuHUMBER RIVER–BLACK CREEK
Raatib AndersonMILTON
Shibli HaddadNorthern Light
Superstar
The latest seat projection from 338
Northern Light
Superstar
Attack the argument/policy/idea, not the person/people is a good way to think; and a constructive way to engage.
But even some here at UT find that challenging.
I do understand the inclination to look down on a group that certainly includes many people with lower levels of education, and views that are at odds with mainstream Canadian political thought.
That said, it simply isn't useful or constructive to broad-brush the entire group; or even to condescend to those whose views may be abhorrent.
After all, the social goal, I would assume, would be to make said people aware of the intellectual shortcomings of their ideas; or to feel greater empathy for groups they may have animosity towards.
One won't get there by school yard taunts.
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Northern Light
Superstar
I confess they wouldn't rank as a choice for me really. Having read their platform, as I have for the NDP, Liberals, Greens and Conservatives........I find it more than a little wanting.
If the former can all be critiqued for overly verbose platforms filled with some good ideas, but lots of vacuous nonsense, and too little focus.....
The PPC can be critiqued for an overly simple platform, which ignores many crucial issues and has utterly preposterous ideas for others.
Lots of people take issues w/the extreme elements of the above; but doing so does not mean anything like automatic support for the PPC.
The PPC support does tend to be strongest in rural Alberta, Rural BC, and Northern Ontario.
It wouldn't be wrong to say their message plays better in areas that are less diverse and more rural, on average.
Certainly, its overly simplistic to characterize the group as above; but it wouldn't be wrong to say their supporters disproportionately come from said group.
But to your point, the National Post has an article below:
Rupa Subramanya: The People's Party of Canada's rise is more complicated than anti-Trudeau rage
Supporters dream of an 'NDP of the right'
nationalpost.com
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Admiral Beez
Superstar
Strangled an obnoxious protester. We’d all like to do that. And a wife, Inuit statue in hand ready to bludgeon an intruder. He’s was a take no sh#t PM with a tough as nails spouse alongside. All good.