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2024 United States presidential election
- Thread starter Jonny5
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Towered
Superstar
It makes Vance the worst kind of opportunist. He publicly trashed Trump a few years ago, but was more than happy to kiss his wrinkled, orange ass once he felt it would benefit him politically. For betraying his principles so cynically, he's a total write off to me.
J Bacon
New Member
It's always about the economy, Americans remember that everything was cheaper under the first Trump term and inflation exploding under Biden.
evandyk
Senior Member
Totally agree.
I know (not closely, but professionally) Erin O'Toole and saw him go through a major transformation when he ran for leadership of the Conservative party. It's so weird to see.
Jonny5
Senior Member
It will be interesting to see what happens with Elon Musk. Trump praising him and all that, but recall what happened last time? Once Trump has used you for what he needs, you get tossed away. It will be interesting to see how long until that happens here.
Yes. They don’t care about women’s rights, human rights, humanitarian issues or people in general. They are short term thinkers and don’t see that one president’s economic policies impact the next president’s term. The whole world saw exploding inflation, but yeah, let’s blame Biden.
Let’s hope Musk gets tossed. He’s a loose cannon.
J Bacon
New Member
I'm not claiming this is a rational line of thought but that is how it goes - my life got worse / harder under your administration so I'm voting for the other person.
The same discontent is happening here as well - can't buy a house or afford groceries because of Trudeau.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Women are by far the majority of US voters. If they don't as a group care about their own rights I think you get the government you deserve.
JasonParis
Moderator
I thought there were genuine signs of momentum last week, with the election finally solidifying in key swing states around Kamala. I also believed that pollsters were likely overestimating the Trump vote to avoid a repeat of 2016. Turns out I was wrong on both counts, which, unfortunately, has become a bit of a trend for me lately. I used to be better at this, but with the rise of populism, my predictions have been way off more often than not.
I am so concerned for people I know who do care about these issues, because they aren’t getting the government they deserve. I know people have short memories, but closing their eyes to everything Trump represents (law and order people electing a convicted felon, “Christians” choosing hate, “family values” people choosing a man with his history, people of colour choosing someone who could care less about their issues ,,, and the list goes on). None of it is logical, which is what I struggle with the most.
picard102
Senior Member
But he loves his family so much he wants to sleep with his daughter. That's a win for the "family values" crowd.
Quoting an American friend of mine. This sums it up well. “It’s worse this time because they know what he is and did it anyway - this is what they want.”
J Bacon
New Member
It seems like race may be less of a factor going forward and the Democrats are losing appeal.
Here is an excerpt from:
Hispanic men helped propel Donald Trump back to the White House
Democrats can no longer rely on the Hispanic vote
In 2016 Hillary Clinton won Hispanic voters by a margin of 38 percentage points, according to exit polls. By 2020 Joe Biden’s margin had shrunk to 33 points. This year early exit polling conducted by CNN suggests that Ms Harris’s margin of victory among Hispanic voters is just eight percentage points—a remarkable collapse if right.
There are a number of possible explanations for the shift.
One is a long-term trend of racial depolarisation. American politics has realigned along social and cultural lines, making religion and education crucial demographic variables. These characteristics divide Hispanic voters just as they do the rest of the country. Another explanation is that Hispanic voters are more likely than other groups to say the economy is their most important issue, favourable territory for Mr Trump.
lenaitch
Senior Member
US-style 'Christianity', particularly in the so-called 'bible belt' is a different kind of beast. When it involves politics, it is closer to a theocracy than many people care to admit.