DirectionNorth
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Wow. I'm hating Ford less as the days go by ...
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2022 43rd Ontario general election (June 2, 2022)
- Thread starter W. K. Lis
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afransen
Senior Member
NDP seem like the masters of promising eating cake and having it to.
It's evil developers fault for sprawling through the greenbelt. Everyone should be able to live in an affordable home. We shouldn't build density.
I was listening to Jon Stewart recently talking about evil corporations earning profits. Socialists just don't get it: profits aren't evil. They are what motivates people to make things happen. They can be amoral so profit motives need to be constrained and channeled, but it is a very powerful tool for allocating resources efficiently.
It's evil developers fault for sprawling through the greenbelt. Everyone should be able to live in an affordable home. We shouldn't build density.
I was listening to Jon Stewart recently talking about evil corporations earning profits. Socialists just don't get it: profits aren't evil. They are what motivates people to make things happen. They can be amoral so profit motives need to be constrained and channeled, but it is a very powerful tool for allocating resources efficiently.
Northern Light
Superstar
Liberals Del Duca will unveil that party's 'labour' platform later today.
The Star has the preview here:
https://www.thestar.com/politics/pr...inimum-wage-to-at-least-16-del-duca-says.html (paywalled at time of posting)
From the above:
- Minimum wage up $1 per hour on Jan. 1st 2023 to $16 (same as NDP)
- But, where NDP is promising annual hikes of $1 until $20 per hour followed by inflation.......
Del Duca has a panel which will study living wage in region of the province and then set higher minimum wages than $16 based on cost of living (phase in period not stated)
Its likely that that would something like $16 in London, $18 in more expensive bits of Ontario and $20-22 in the GTA.
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- Additionally 10 paid sick days by law for everyone
- Restoration of the rule introduced briefly at the end of the Wynne era that Full-time and Part-time workers must receive the same hourly rate of pay.
- Some form of portable benefits package of pharmacare/dental which would be portable from one job to the next and available to every worker.
- $1000 match for retirement savings (presumably RRSP) for low-income workers.
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My thoughts, there's much to like here, I'll be interested to see any additional detail. I think he could have 'studied' regional cost variations already as they are fairly well understood; I'm always a bit leary
of details to be offered later; but I favour the principle being discussed.
But there are also reasons to keep wage spread somewhat contained, ( you don't want workers headed to Toronto just for a higher hourly wage, nor businesses leaving to avoid one) as such, I think the low-cost area minimum needs to be
closer to $18-$19 per hour so that a fair Toronto number isn't too extreme in difference.
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We still have to hear from the NDP on their broader labour policy beyond minimum wage.
I feel strongly that paid vacation rising to three weeks should have been in here. Ontario remains well below global norms of at least 4 weeks and Sask has been 3 weeks for ages w/o adverse effect.
The Star has the preview here:
https://www.thestar.com/politics/pr...inimum-wage-to-at-least-16-del-duca-says.html (paywalled at time of posting)
From the above:
- Minimum wage up $1 per hour on Jan. 1st 2023 to $16 (same as NDP)
- But, where NDP is promising annual hikes of $1 until $20 per hour followed by inflation.......
Del Duca has a panel which will study living wage in region of the province and then set higher minimum wages than $16 based on cost of living (phase in period not stated)
Its likely that that would something like $16 in London, $18 in more expensive bits of Ontario and $20-22 in the GTA.
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- Additionally 10 paid sick days by law for everyone
- Restoration of the rule introduced briefly at the end of the Wynne era that Full-time and Part-time workers must receive the same hourly rate of pay.
- Some form of portable benefits package of pharmacare/dental which would be portable from one job to the next and available to every worker.
- $1000 match for retirement savings (presumably RRSP) for low-income workers.
****
My thoughts, there's much to like here, I'll be interested to see any additional detail. I think he could have 'studied' regional cost variations already as they are fairly well understood; I'm always a bit leary
of details to be offered later; but I favour the principle being discussed.
But there are also reasons to keep wage spread somewhat contained, ( you don't want workers headed to Toronto just for a higher hourly wage, nor businesses leaving to avoid one) as such, I think the low-cost area minimum needs to be
closer to $18-$19 per hour so that a fair Toronto number isn't too extreme in difference.
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We still have to hear from the NDP on their broader labour policy beyond minimum wage.
I feel strongly that paid vacation rising to three weeks should have been in here. Ontario remains well below global norms of at least 4 weeks and Sask has been 3 weeks for ages w/o adverse effect.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
What we need are incentives for buying electric vehicles and a provincial subsidy program to cover some of the cost of installing EV charging stations. Doug Ford removed them early in his term.
jayme2016
Active Member
Its the same in Ottawa if you set it at $18 but much lower for the Valley it would create issues.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
I wanted to vote Liberal due to Ford’s failures on LTC, but they‘re no where. Horvath is useless, she could have had Ford on the ropes throughout Covid, reminding us each day how many people have died due to governmental neglect and in the case of LTC, government unwillingness to upset industry insiders (like Harris) through either forcing LTC to be non-profit or setting higher standards.
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lenaitch
Senior Member
Ya, every time you create 'zones', you set-up anomalies. Using the attached, if you live in Carp (Ottawa) but drive 20 minutes to work your minimum wage job in Arnprior (Renfrew County) are you being treated unfairly? I wouldn't think any politician would try to gerrymander minimum wage zones for political gain!
Ontario Living Wage Network
The new 2022 living wage rates for all of Ontario, now in a streamlined 10-region system.
www.ontariolivingwage.ca
Northern Light
Superstar
Ya, every time you create 'zones', you set-up anomalies. Using the attached, if you live in Carp (Ottawa) but drive 20 minutes to work your minimum wage job in Arnprior (Renfrew County) are you being treated unfairly? I wouldn't think any politician would try to gerrymander minimum wage zones for political gain!
Ontario Living Wage Network
The new 2022 living wage rates for all of Ontario, now in a streamlined 10-region system.
Oregon has taken the regional approach to minimum wage for many years now, so far as I know they went with one set of definitions that has stuck, non-controversially, though I haven't followed it super closely.
They defined it as Portland and immediate area {their largest city); tows over 'x' population, and rural covered everything else.
New York State also used the regional approach to phasing in $15USD per hour state-wide, with NYC phased-in quickly, then the NYC outer burbs, then the balance of the State.
I think its a very manageable thing.
Northern Light
Superstar
NDP to unveil Universal Mental Healthcare as part of their platform for this election, later today.
Fully phased-in cost would be 1.15B per year. Among other things, would cover 6-12 sessions of psycho therapy.
Article in The Star here: (paywalled at time of posting)
www.thestar.com
Fully phased-in cost would be 1.15B per year. Among other things, would cover 6-12 sessions of psycho therapy.
Article in The Star here: (paywalled at time of posting)
NDP promises $1.15B mental health program if it wins Ontario election
The New Democrats are promising to create a universal mental health benefits program for all Ontarians if the party is elected June 2, the Star has learned.
www.thestar.com
lenaitch
Senior Member
No doubt, provided they don't try to get too granular (north side of Steeles vs. south side sort of thing) and use meaningful data. I was just looking at that website again and some of their concluding living wage numbers strike me as curious although; admittedly, I didn't dig into it.
Allandale25
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W. K. Lis
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Toronto councillor Michael Ford launches provincial campaign
From link.(Insert laugh track below.)
Looking to donate my license plate sticker rebate to BOTH Liberals and NDP for York South-Weston.
jayme2016
Active Member
If you a young teen and live in the Ottawa Valley or just outside the GTA if you area the min wage is $16 but in Ottawa or the GTA its $24 most won't travel to make the $24.
Northern Light
Superstar
There will not be any 50% differences. No one does that. In examples I cited the differences never exceed $3 between lowest and highest.
Ottawa would be mid-tier so no more than $1.50 above a low-cost area.
I don't see it as a big issue. Today you already have 2 minimum wages in the Ottawa area, one on the Ontario side, the other on Quebec side. They're different by $1.50 currently.