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2022/24 Russian-Ukrainian War

Richard White said:
The older generation of my family in Hungary love Russia....
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That's odd. Unlike the Russophile Serbians, Hungarians share no linguistic or ethnic background with Russia. Geographically, Hungary is no where close to Russia. Historically, Hungary has been a Germanic or Central European power, not a Slavic one.

What about the Russians invading Hungary in 1956? Why did they join NATO in 1999 if they were Russian fans?
 
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EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell warned Moscow today that its forces would be “annihilated” by the West’s military response if president Vladimir Putin uses nuclear weapons against Ukraine, AFP reports.

At the opening of the Diplomacy Academy in Brussels, Borrell said:

Putin is saying he is not bluffing. Well, he cannot afford bluffing, and it has to be clear that the people supporting Ukraine and the European Union and the Member States, and the United States and NATO are not bluffing neither.
Any nuclear attack against Ukraine will create an answer, not a nuclear answer but such a powerful answer from the military side that the Russian Army will be annihilated.
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Been a long time since we've seen this kind of rhetoric on a global scale.

Even if I agree and the risk remains minimal, it's still a little unsettling.
 
Bjays92 said:
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Been a long time since we've seen this kind of rhetoric on a global scale.

Even if I agree and the risk remains minimal, it's still a little unsettling.
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That's exactly what Putin is counting on - that we can't stomach unsettling rhetoric (and by extension, would put downward pressure on our politicians). He isn't waving the nuclear flag because it is will win the war for him militarily.

AoD
 
Admiral Beez said:
That's odd. Unlike the Russophile Serbians, Hungarians share no linguistic or ethnic background with Russia. Geographically, Hungary is no where close to Russia. Historically, Hungary has been a Germanic or Central European power, not a Slavic one.

What about the Russians invading Hungary in 1956? Why did they join NATO in 1999 if they were Russian fans?
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The older generation has an affinity for the communist era where everything was provided to them. They wanted to keep the spirit alive so to speak by going socialist in the 1990s. They went with NATO because of what happened in Bosnia and for the safety afforded to them after the USSR broke up.

My grandmother was there in 1956, she watched tanks rolling through Budapest shooting people she cared about. Luckily for us, my Great Uncle worked for the Hungarian Secret Police at the time and was able to get her out of the country with my Grandfather.

During World War 2 she watched as Russians invaded Hungary trying to force out the Nazis. Her family had to give up their home to Russians and feed them or risk reprisal. They also had to hide my Great Aunt to avoid her being turned into a "comfort woman" by the Russians.

The point I am making is that despite all that, the Soviets treated Hungarians relatively well after the revolution compared to now when the EU is turning their back on the country.
 
Richard White said:
The older generation has an affinity for the communist era where everything was provided to them. They wanted to keep the spirit alive so to speak by going socialist in the 1990s. They went with NATO because of what happened in Bosnia and for the safety afforded to them after the USSR broke up.

My grandmother was there in 1956, she watched tanks rolling through Budapest shooting people she cared about. Luckily for us, my Great Uncle worked for the Hungarian Secret Police at the time and was able to get her out of the country with my Grandfather.

During World War 2 she watched as Russians invaded Hungary trying to force out the Nazis. Her family had to give up their home to Russians and feed them or risk reprisal. They also had to hide my Great Aunt to avoid her being turned into a "comfort woman" by the Russians.

The point I am making is that despite all that, the Soviets treated Hungarians relatively well after the revolution compared to now when the EU is turning their back on the country.
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What do you mean about the EU 'turning its back" on Hungary? The current Hungarian government, who are basically right wing thugs in nice suits, have tried to 'co-opt' the judiciary and tried to (and succeeded) in getting rid of judges who opposed them, have refused to participate in EU projects like giving homes to Syrian and other refugees and generally not followed EU rules. The Orban government wants to do as it wishes while getting funds from the EU; the EU has said "no, you want our $$ you follow our rules'. This is the latest, of many, examples: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...-hungary-to-implement-anti-corruption-reforms

Yes, Hungarians have had a hard time since the Austro-Hungarian Empire vanished but a lot of it has been their own doing. The Russians who your grandmother saw after WW2 were there trying to expel the (Hungarian) Arrow Cross fascist - nazi - government of the country.
 
While it needs to be said, 'misses' are a thing in war, even for the most sophisticated of militaries and weapons..........

Russia seems inordinately challenged in terms of getting its ordinance where they intend it.......

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From BBC

Russia's government has ordered contractors to finish repairs to a key bridge linking annexed Crimea to Russia by July 2023.
The bridge was damaged by a blast last Saturday which officials say left at least three people dead.
Russia blamed Ukraine for the attack but Kyiv has not said it was behind it.
The 19km (12-mile) bridge, Europe's longest, is a key supply route for Russian forces in Ukraine, but heavy goods vehicles are unable to use it.
The explosion caused midway sections of one of the two carriageways of the bridge to collapse into the sea and also damaged the railway line.
Currently, lorries are forced to queue for a ferry, in a process which is thought to take several days.

The bridge has, however, been reopened for rail and light road traffic.
 
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From BBC

Russia's government has ordered contractors to finish repairs to a key bridge linking annexed Crimea to Russia by July 2023.
The bridge was damaged by a blast last Saturday which officials say left at least three people dead.
Russia blamed Ukraine for the attack but Kyiv has not said it was behind it.
The 19km (12-mile) bridge, Europe's longest, is a key supply route for Russian forces in Ukraine, but heavy goods vehicles are unable to use it.
The explosion caused midway sections of one of the two carriageways of the bridge to collapse into the sea and also damaged the railway line.
Currently, lorries are forced to queue for a ferry, in a process which is thought to take several days.

The bridge has, however, been reopened for rail and light road traffic.
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Hopefully it gets attacked again, sooner than later.
 
A mix of new and old news, too lazy to go back and find tweets to link tho.

Firstly, Russia has helped Belarus retrofit some of their SU-24's to be able to carry nukes. Overall its pretty meaningless and just more sabre rattling but it does kinda fly in the face of non proliferation so I'm a little surprised by just how muted the reaction was. I guess everyone realizes its just meaningless posturing and so no point in causing a stir.

And then secondly, despite denying sending drones, apparently Iran is now also planning on sending surface to surface missiles to Russia, which is yet another desparately bad look for Putin.
 
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