TheTigerMaster
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I agree that whoever made the decision to sell off this corridor needs to be fired. Who the hell sells off a corridor while rapid transit is planned on for it? Idiots.
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2014 Municipal Election: Toronto Transit Plans
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I agree that whoever made the decision to sell off this corridor needs to be fired. Who the hell sells off a corridor while rapid transit is planned on for it? Idiots.
kEiThZ
Superstar
TIF is the one thing that seriously bugs me about Tory's platform. I'm comforted by the fact that he'll be in a hard corner between cutting his transit proposal and raising taxes. And I do believe he'll raise taxes to get 'er done.
I actually don't think there's much of a penalty to pay for raising taxes for transit. It's hard during an election, of course. But when in office? Rob Ford pulled it off without serious blowback. Even less likely that anybody is going to hammer Tory for a percent or two to pay for transit if TIF doesn't work out as well as a planned. Who wants to be the guy to go after a politician for raising taxes to pay for a subway?
And correct me if I'm wrong, I thought Chow's land transfer tax increase proposal was to pay for her school lunch program.
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kEiThZ
Superstar
This. Exactly this. It would have been used for some form of transit eventually. Very shortsighted.
salsa
Senior Member
Correct. The land transfer tax is to go towards a number of things, including transit and lunch programs. I will also add that cancelling the Scarborough subway will yield almost a billion dollars that could go towards other transit priorities. Whether she can actually pull that off in reality is something to think about, but that's what her platform says.
BurlOak
Senior Member
I am not sure exactly what the 4.2m refers to. Is that the total space available beside the road, or is it beyond the grass boulevard and sidewalk.
- Either the piers can be offset, with the elevated structure cantilivering above the sidewalk/road, or,
- The alignment of Eglinton can be shifted a little bit south.
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MrsNesbitt
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The EA for sure was done for a street ROW and the width is there, yes. I'm not arguing that the lack of the Richview corridor entirely prevents an Eglinton West LRT. But when an empty corridor that would've allowed for full grade-separation runs immediately adjacent to the road for such a long distance, why limit ourselves to a street ROW? A trenched LRT could've easily been built for the grade separated benefits of a tunnel without the costs of a tunnel.
And as for Tory, it certainly is disturbing. Just kind of reflects a mentality that he's an opportunist who has only jumped into the election for his own personal benefit. Really, considering that's not far off from his reputation as the also-ran, I would think that's not an image he should be reinforcing.
salsa
Senior Member
What rapid transit? We were supposed to get an LRT in the middle of the street.
Markster
Senior Member
An in-median LRT is possible in the 4.2m, as that is what has been held on to for precisely that that purpose.
If you wander over to the Vancouver Evergreen Line thread, you can see just how easily you can fit elevated in that kind of space:
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salsa
Senior Member
What about the stations?
BurlOak
Senior Member
When were the Richview lands sold again. I think it was 2012. Council had just voted to revert back to the in-median Eglinton line through Scarborough. Obviously, if the east side was not grade-separated, the west would not be either. That is why the lands were sold - because they were not needed for the transit that Council voted for.
Either Ford was to dumb, too stoned or too powerless after the political defeat to do anything about it.
MrsNesbitt
Active Member
So the other question to ask is what idiot planned an LRT in the middle of the street when there was a fully grade-separable empty corridor directly adjacent to said street.
The sale of the Richview Corridor really is inexcusable. It's not like we're even getting mid-rise or mixed-use development along this arterial either as a trade-off - just ugly townhouses.
BurlOak
Senior Member
I would say that it was the type of idiot that supports LRT in the middle of Eglinton.
BurlOak
Senior Member
Presumably there is more than 4.2m at/near the major roads that would get a station.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Okay? The ECLRT is rapid transit according to TTC and Metrolinx.
ehlow
Senior Member
Re Vancouver Skytrain, yes that's the type of elevated structure I was thinking about.
However, SmartTrack will likely run much bigger & heavier trains than the Vancouver system, EMU regional rail trains.
If SmartTrack does happen and it does run down Eglinton West, hopefully the elevated option would be cheaper tunnelling.
On the proposed map, there are very few stations in Etobicoke along Eglinton West, which could save some money if SmartTrack is elevated or tunnelled. However, I find the huge amount of stations in Scarborough vs the lack of stations in Etobicoke very strange, so I wonder if more will be added along Eglinton.
Obviously, the above is hypothetical.
However, SmartTrack will likely run much bigger & heavier trains than the Vancouver system, EMU regional rail trains.
If SmartTrack does happen and it does run down Eglinton West, hopefully the elevated option would be cheaper tunnelling.
On the proposed map, there are very few stations in Etobicoke along Eglinton West, which could save some money if SmartTrack is elevated or tunnelled. However, I find the huge amount of stations in Scarborough vs the lack of stations in Etobicoke very strange, so I wonder if more will be added along Eglinton.
Obviously, the above is hypothetical.