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2005-6 Federal Election: New poll shows Tories in the lead

do the Conservatives seem to have slid more to the centre?

I think they have done a good job at projecting themselves as being closer to the center than last election. But I dont think this has much to do with an actual change in party philosophy, but because they have havent been challenged on some of the more defining issues such as same sex marriage, abortion rights, Canada-American integration, etc. And when the issues have come up they have done a good job at pushing them too the side as quickly as possible.

I guess if you were to view it through the eyes of a voter who only pays attention to politics and party ideology during an election campaign and takes leader promises and poliking at face value, then yes, Harper has slid more towards the center.
 
There was a major snowfall the day of the provincial by-election in my riding last month, and voter turnout was barely 10% at some polling stations...if there's a few blizzards across the country on the 23rd, voter turnout will be pathetically low.
 
Thats raises an interesting question I have never heard discussed before. How would weather affect the outcome of an election? Given that a blizzard or ice storm would only affect a region of the country it could be interesting. If Southern Ontario where hit from Windsor through to Ottawa, how would that change the vote? What voters would be more likely to turn out and which parties would suffer the most? Or what if it hit the Montreal/Eastern/Central region of Quebec? Would the Bloc gain from somewhat more militant supporters, or would it hurt them?

Given that the numbers are giving no clear determination to how things will turn out it could be a major factor in deciding what the outcome will be?
 
A low turnout for a by-election?
Isn't that more normal than not?
 
Weren't they doing that towards the end of the last campaign? I seem to remember Harper was meeting the Board of trade and making polite noises about the funding agenda for cities etc. in the dying days of that race.

Yeah, but in the dying days of that race, Harper made his Western Canada tour of triumph, while Randy White had to open his blabber mouth as well, etc...
 
So I know that similair headlines were splashed across front pages last election but somehow, this time, it seems different. Not only have the Conservatives seem to taken a dramatic lead of the Liberals, but, they are fast approaching majority territory. I am always cautious about polls though. In Quebec this poll has the Bloc at 52.4% support in Quebec, which is roughly where it has been most of this election, but the last few polls I saw had it in the low to mid 40's, so Im not sure how that will actually translate on election day. And of course just because a leader has a lot of national support is not going to mean it will directly translate into a proportional number of seats. The conservatives could have 19.1% support in Quebec, but that may only translate into 2 or 3 seats in that province. Likewise with the NDP. And I will be interested to see if we see another shift in NDP voters to the Liberals again. I wouldnt be suprised. Actually, I think the NDP may have a hard time gaining any seats at all because of this.

Edit: This also leaves me with a very interesting thought. What are the ramifications if the Conservatives gain a majority government with no representation in Quebec? I bring this up because Harper did talk about increasing provincial autonomy and his past statements and thoughts on unilingual region are going to be issues that will be very important to Quebecers. If the party has no representation in Quebec, no members to speak for the province, or no seats to lose, in terms of adopting these kinds of policies, how will this affect the dynamic of Federal politics?

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Tories head for majority
Poll shows `breakthrough' for party
`Significant growth' in Ontario, Quebec
Jan. 10, 2006. 06:28 AM
RICHARD BRENNAN
QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU

Conservatives are charting a course toward a majority on Jan. 23, according to a new national poll completed yesterday.

The survey, conducted by EKOS Research Associates for the Toronto Star and La Presse, shows Stephen Harper's Conservatives have sailed into majority government territory after a stunning week of rising popularity, largely at the expense of the Liberal party.

The EKOS survey of 1,240 Canadians through the weekend and yesterday found 39.1 per cent support for the Conservatives. The Liberals had 26.8 per cent support; the NDP 16.2 per cent; the Bloc Québécois 12.6 per cent; and Green party 4.6 per cent.

"This is the breakthrough Harper has been waiting for," EKOS president Frank Graves said.

In Ontario, the Conservatives have widened the gap to a 10-percentage-point lead over the Liberals. Of the 518 Ontarians surveyed, 43.8 per cent supported the Tories, 33.5 per cent the Liberals, 16.2 per cent the NDP, and 5.4 per cent the Greens.

Even in Quebec, the Conservatives are ahead of the Liberals. A total of 330 people were surveyed in that province and 19.1 per cent threw their support behind the Tories, compared with 17.4 per cent for the Liberals.

The Bloc, however, remains miles ahead with 52.4 per cent.

"The Conservatives' gains are nationwide, but their most significant growth is in Ontario, where they have surpassed the Liberals in their traditional heartland, and in Quebec, where they are now the leading federalist alternative to the Bloc Québécois," Graves said.

The national poll numbers are considered accurate within 2.8 percentage points 19 times out of 20. The margin of error in Ontario was 4.3 percentage points.

EKOS's Paul Adams said Harper's popularity is driving the surge. When those surveyed were asked who had the most positive vision for the future, the Conservative leader received 32 per cent support. Prime Minister Paul Martin had 20 per cent, the NDP's Jack Layton 16 per cent, and Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe 10 per cent. "None of the above" registered 10 per cent and 12 per cent said they didn't know.

But premature talk of winning a majority of Parliament's 308 seats spooks the Conservatives. A party would have to win 155 seats to win a majority.

At dissolution, there were 133 Liberals in the House of Commons. The Tories held 98 seats, the Bloc Québécois 53 and the NDP 18. There were four Independents and two vacancies.

The Tories are well aware that after Harper predicted a majority win in June 2004, their political fortunes started a downward spiral in the last election.

"I'm certainly not going to be drawn into any questions that can be used to have me making predictions," Harper said during last night's English-language leaders' debate.

"My role here is not to be a political analyst. My role here is to explain to Canadians why we need a new government."

Following stories Sunday in the Star and the Toronto Sun about Harper hinting at a majority, right-wing blogs were abuzz with dark — and unsubstantiated — suggestions of a mainstream media conspiracy to stall the Tories' momentum.

Ironically, hours after refusing to rule out a Tory majority win, Harper criticized EKOS by name while chatting with reporters aboard his campaign plane in Hamilton on Saturday.

"They are, in my view, the least believable," he said. "Our people feel the momentum, but it is a statistical dead heat. ... There is over two weeks to go and a lot of things can happen. ... There is no certainty."

Graves said the "wild card" in the campaign now is how Canadians react to the potential of a Harper government — minority or majority.

"What happens when Canadians fully realize the Conservatives' current potential?" Graves asked.

"Will there be a bandwagon effect, as there was for Brian Mulroney in the 1984 campaign after he surged into the lead? Or will Harper succumb to a whiplash as he did in 2004 with many voters recoiling from the prospect of a Tory victory after a serious Liberal onslaught in the last weeks of the campaign."

On June 16, 2004 in Niagara Falls, Harper boasted there were "no safe Liberal seats for the Liberals any more," and said the Tories could win a majority. Less than two weeks later, the Liberals won a minority government.

The Liberals received 36.7 per cent of the popular vote in the June 28, 2004 election. The Conservatives garnered 29.6 per cent of the vote, the NDP 15.7 per cent, the Bloc 12.4 per cent and the Greens 4.3 per cent.

Graves said the apparent Conservative breakthrough in Quebec is "especially astonishing," heralding the possible return of the Tories as a truly national party.

But he warned that because the Harper Conservatives are poised to win some seats in Quebec, the media spotlight will be on the aloof Harper more than ever before. Graves stressed that the party's growth in Quebec is inherently fragile.

With files from Robert Benzie
 
Harper needs to seriously invest in a new wardrobe. I know this is frivolous, but it's hard to come across as 'Prime Ministerial" in suits that cheap.
 
Yeah, his wardrobe does leave something to be desired. ayton used to be rather guilty of the same fashion crime but at least in the photos I have seen of him lately he seems to have greatly stepped his fashion efforts. Gilles Duceppes still wins in that department though. The signs around the city have him dressed very stylishly and in winter wear at that.

Having just listened to the french debate I have to say, the Liberals certainly didnt help their cause among francophones. Martin, who is not the greatest speaker among the group to start with, never seemed to hit his mark. Harper did ok. His french is the weakest of the group, but Quebecoises tend to appreciate when people at least make an effort so I dont think hurt him at all. Layton did allright. He came off much the same as he does in English and put his message across well. His french was quite good actually, but it doesnt seem as though the NDP can find that hole and make a bigger break in Quebec. And Gilles did well, which isnt much surprise. Im not fluent in french yet so I cant offer a point by point commentary, but overall it was a pretty lackluster debate which I dont think will much impact in changing peoples voting intentions.
 
Although I havent seen these ads (nor will I since I dont have a TV), its certainly a do or die move by the Liberals. I think many people will remember how negatively people reacted to the 1993 PC ads that made fun of Chretien and his face paralysis. So who knows what this will do to the Liberals fortunes. While I dont think I will really send them into a spiralling decline as the 93 ads in part did to the PC's, I really cant see this helping them. I think Martin should have hired a better strategist for this campaign, he really hasnt done a great job.

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Liberals launch series of attack ads against Harper
Last Updated Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:56:08 EST
CBC News

The Liberal Party has released a series of attack ads taking aim at Stephen Harper as the four main leaders head into their last debate of the campaign Tuesday night.

The ads come as Harper goes into the French debate as the perceived front-runner.

The ads display an unflattering picture of Harper slowly coming into focus, accompanied by a militaristic drumbeat in the background.

They slam him on a number of issues. He is criticized for his supposed links to a so-called "secret, ultra right-wing American think-tank."

One ad points out that he received an endorsement in the Washington Times that said he was "pro-Iraq war" and referred to him as President George W. Bush's "new best friend."

"A Harper victory will put a smile on George Bush's face. At least someone will be smiling, eh," the ad states.

Another ad questions why Harper has not released his list of donors for his leadership campaign and implies he may have had help from American conservatives.

"We do know he's very popular with right-wingers in the U.S." the ad states. "They had money. Maybe they helped. We just don't know."

One ad quotes Harper as saying that Atlantic Canada has a "culture of defeat." Another claims Harper has a "right-wing agenda" like former Ontario premier Mike Harris.

But CBC Ottawa correspondent Tom Parry said the ads don't tell the whole story.

He said the one that quotes the Washington Times piece doesn't mention that Harper wrote a response, in which he takes issue with a number of positions attributed to him, including that he would have sent troops to Iraq.

In one ad, where the Liberals suggest Harper may have accepted donations from right-wing Americans for his leadership campaign, but offers no proof.

The Conservatives say the ads are blatantly false, personal attacks on Harper and desperate acts by a desperate party.

"As we predicted, the Liberals have stepped up their campaign of negative and personal attacks on our leader and our party," said Conservative National Campaign Co-Chair John Reynolds. "These latest ads are similar to the ads that we saw in the last campaign – guns pointed into people's faces and dishonest misrepresentations of our policies."

However, Parry points out that Conservatives have produced their own ads that also don't give all the facts. For example, when they mention the Gomery inquiry in their ads, they don't mention that the inquiry actually exonerated Liberal Leader Paul Martin.
 
Yeah, his wardrobe does leave something to be desired. ayton used to be rather guilty of the same fashion crime but at least in the photos I have seen of him lately he seems to have greatly stepped his fashion efforts.

Layton needs to work on a bit more than his wardrobe. To me, he seems the least prime ministerial of the four.

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Polls showed that the Conservatives didn't have momentum until after Christmas when their silent people in the coffee shop and variety store "Liberal Corruption in the News" ads came out. All their big policy announcements came out a week before Christmas and they didn't have any traction. Unfortunately attack ads work as last weeks polls show. The Liberals waited for the Conservatives to roll out their attack ads first and now we will see how much it evens the field. It would be nice if the parties stuck to policy so average Canadian that don't do enough research could figure out who to vote for... unfortunately these tidbits of information in ads and on a less than detailed debate are all many people go on.
 
Antiloop:

What policy agenda? Certainly not a coherent one - cuts to GST, defense spending, "law and order" agenda. Like honestly, is that it? Somehow I suspect not - but Harper would probably loath to put his vision out in the open for full view.

AoD
 
Polls showed that the Conservatives didn't have momentum until after Christmas when their silent people in the coffee shop and variety store "Liberal Corruption in the News" ads came out.

The Liberal Party is not corrupt ...
The Liberal Party is not corrupt ...
The Liberal Party is not corrupt ...

A culture of entitlement ...
A culture of entitlement ...
A culture of entitlement ...

The Liberal Party is not corrupt ...
The Liberal Party is not corrupt ...
The Liberal Party is not corrupt ...

A culture of entitlement ...
A culture of entitlement ...
A culture of entitlement ...

Argh ... it's stuck in my head ... :)
 
All their big policy announcements came out a week before Christmas and they didn't have any traction. Unfortunately attack ads work as last weeks polls show.

Rather than the CPC attack ads changing the momentum I attribute it to the incidents (RCMP investigation mainly) over the holiday break. When the public started to pay more attention to what was going on they saw a softened Harper who had established his platform and Martin who hadn’t other than referencing the budget update from November.

Whether you agree with Harper’s platform or not (I largely don’t BTW), it is at least coherent. He has done a great job in articulating what platform he is running on and even stating what his priorities are. Martin’s inept campaign has been unable to do the same. Their strategy was to “keep their powder dry†until after the break. Once they got there the Income Trust Story and now Options Canada have pushed them to the defensive and they have never been able to coherently articulate what their platform is.

Clearly a lot of people have determined that the Liberals need to go to the doghouse and Harper has positioned himself in way that lessens fears about what his agenda is.

/fingers crossed that the CPC only gets a minority at this point.
 

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