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[kEiThZ]

Did it look like my response was reduced to that? Really? Simply apologize and move on ...

Apologize for a grammatical error. You really are full of yourself aren't you?

You think Sheppard is a reasonable alternative to Bloor-Danforth? Why? Both Sheppard and Eglinton would leave Scarborough Centre ... but Eglinton will attract most of the riders.

Never suggested otherwise.

And I don't know why you think such a compromised plan is a good thing. It's a simple thing to look at. If you've got a $billiion to throw at transit on Sheppard, which is of greater benefit. A 2-km extension to Victoria Park, or 12-km of LRT to Meadowvale.

I prioritize a long term vision over short term quick fixes. I'd rather see this city commit to building a proper network in 50 years than spend billions on a quick fix LRT network that has saves mere minutes over the existing bus network. So in my opinion that 2km extension is a better idea than 12km of LRT to Meadowvale (which incidentally is not where they could afford to get to).

Further expansion? The numbers aren't high enough to support subway in the first place. Ridership east of Victoria Park is even lower. Why do you support flushing money down the toilet like this, when it could be of more benefit to more people elsewhere? Let's stop building these gravy trains.

1) Nobody said expansion was going to happen tomorrow. I happen to think a little longer term than you or most of our elected elites.

2) Greater benefit elsewhere? They are spending the same amount as previously proposed on the exact same corridor. So why the hurt feelings? The only difference now is that the closer you live to Vic Park the more you'll benefit. Incidentally, the vast majority of residents along the corridor live closer to Vic Park than Morningside. And once you toss in the Finch East busway to Markham/Neilson/Morningside, the loss of the SELRT becomes even less relevant, since those previously diverted riders will now be catching a speedy bus right to VP.

3) I kinda like gravy. It makes dry turkey taste a lot better.

 

[Mulder]

What a load of crap. The purple line will not get more full by extending it by two stops.

Says a guy from Oakville/Milton?

As I alluded to before, 20,000 people already work in the consumers road block.

Census roughly tells me that the area around this proposed expansion houses 100,000 people, although this is a large area, (as far east a Kennedy, North to Finch) you can still get a general idea. As well the data I looked at is from 2006 on the City of Toronto website. That area has grown so much since 2006. For anyone who has been in that area knows this.

Why the NEED for the consumers stop??????????
The Don Mills to Vic Park distance would be about the same as the yonge to Bayview spacing and a tad longer then the leslie to don mills spacing.

A stop there would best serve most if not all of Consumers block. The bus going down Consumers Road could be removed. It would be a 10 minute walk at most to any subway station.

I wouldn't be all "that's too much" yet. Since this idea was just thought up. Throwing a big number as a cost estimate without actually getting into more detailed funding. The government may want to fund the Extension to Warden as well

 

[nfitz]

Wonderful .... people more interested in something that might not pay off for 50 years, than they are in something that would help a lot of people today.

There'd be very few trips along that corridor that gain more benefit from a subway extension, than an LRT to Meadowvale ... except perhaps those that are walking distance to one of the 2 new stations. And even then it's marginal, given that's there's only 1 traffic light between Victoria Park LRT station and Don Mills station, and the LRT runs more frequently, and will be quicker to walk to on the surface, than 2-stories underground.

 

[Mulder]

Wonderful .... people more interested in something that might not pay off for 50 years, than they are in something that would help a lot of people today.

There'd be very few trips along that corridor that gain more benefit from a subway extension, than an LRT to Meadowvale ... except perhaps those that are walking distance to one of the 2 new stations. And even then it's marginal, given that's there's only 1 traffic light between Victoria Park LRT station and Don Mills station, and the LRT runs more frequently, and will be quicker to walk to on the surface, than 2-stories underground.

Last time I drove from Vic Park to Don Mills Subway station, there was was 5 lights? Unless you are talking about the proposed LRT? I knew it was going under the 404 but can't remember where it was coming up.

 

[nfitz]

Last time I drove from Vic Park to Don Mills Subway station, there was was 5 lights? Unless you are talking about the proposed LRT? I knew it was going under the 404 but can't remember where it was coming up.

See further up this thread. The portal is just west of Consumers Road. From Victoria Park to Don Mills station, the only light I was thinking of was at Consumers Road. Though looking carefully, I have forgotten the lights at Settlers Road - I'd hope a proper detailed design might find a way to eliminate this light, as the road doesn't really go anywhere except parking lots that could be instead serviced from Consumers Road.

 

[M II A II R II K]

It's a good plan but if you're going to extend the line it should at least go to Aginourt or not bother and use the money for something else. A DRL study perhaps.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Are you 100% sure? I thought the box was only for a 3-car LRV train. That's what the station box design seems to show on the Crosstown website. Though that's a 90-metre train - the 4-car Sheppard trains are only 92-metres. A 5-car LRV train would be 150 metres - that's longer than a 6-car subway train (138 metres).

For the fifth time, from the EA showing a 2-car configuration:

a 3-car train would additionally use the blue area to the right of the yellow in the plan.

 

[nfitz]

] a 3-car train would additionally use the blue area to the right of the yellow in the plan.

The area to the right is the service area. The area for future expansion is the "Reserved" area to the left. That looks to be about 30 metres to me, if the yellow area is 60 metres. That allows for a 3-car train.

My understanding is that the areas marked Services are not designed for, or available for, future expansion beyond a 90-metre platform. If there's any evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it.

 

[caltrane74]

Those areas marked "Services" appear to be for ingress and egress.

 

[gweed123]

Re: Sheppard Extension (sorry for playing catch-up, I was out all day, and apparently I missed a lot, haha).

If the latest total for the SELRT was $1.2 billion, then you can do $1 billion for the subway extension, $200 million for BRT improvements along Sheppard. Given the whopping 3,500 pphpd in 2031 that Sheppard east of Vic Park is supposed to have, no doubt that BRT would be sufficient for the foreseeable future.

Same cost, all you're doing is moving the transfer point further east, and in the process opening up more networking options. The time saved by building LRT east of Vic Park vs BRT upgrades east of Vic Park would be minimal.

With doing BRT east of Vic Park, there's also the option of 'wait and see'. It can either be upgraded to subway in the future if demand somehow gets there (not likely for a long time, but hey). Or if LRT is suddenly viable (and no, 3,500 pphpd isn't very viable for LRT), then go for that. Either way, with BRT you aren't stuck with one option or the other. The decision on what to go with can be made at a later time, because an effective transit solution will already be in place.

 

[gweed123]

To further that BRT thing, there's no way you can tell me that putting in 11 queue jump lanes at major intersections from Vic Park to Meadowvale, and putting in a few curb side cut-outs would cost over $200 million to do. For the next 10-15 years, that's all Sheppard East east of Vic Park really needs: moderate improvement to the existing bus route, and a way to bypass congestion at busy intersections.

 

[sixrings]

http://thecrosstown.ca/news-media/whats-new/online-consultation-dufferin-station

 

[M II A II R II K]

If the SRT part of it is still in they should go with the 3 car trains from the beginning, given how crowded it can currently get.

 

[Dan416]

2 stations for a billion is a lot, but the only solution to that is building the line longer which will bring down the per km figure. So we should invest some City money in the Sheppard Subway going to SCC

Certainly the City could actually contribute some money to getting its own infrastructure built?

 

[gweed123]

Certainly the City could actually contribute some money to getting its own infrastructure built?

You mean Toronto should get the same deal as every other municipality in Ontario, who has to cover at least 1/3 of their transit infrastructure costs? Blasphemy!