SaugeenJunction
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Repainted F59 in the wild
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GO Transit Fleet Equipment and other
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APTA-2048
Senior Member
Can’t wait to see one paired with a refurbished classic cab car. That’ll look quite odd.
cplchanb
Senior Member
im just waiting for a day when GO can get themselves together to put together sets that all have the same livery. Rainbow sets just looks so disorganized and its not like they have a shortage of coaches to begin with.
crs1026
Superstar
I suppose it's time to grant a Statute of Limitations for ML branding. When ML announced its change of livery in 2017, then-premier Wynne promised that the new branding would be phased in only when needed, and there would be no wasteful repainting of the fleet ahead of actual need.
That's one of the few promises that anyone connected with ML or government management of transit has kept - for almost a full decade now.
Anything we see in the old green and white has carried its old scheme paint for that decade. ML can probably accelerate repaininting at this point without anyone crying foul.
- Paul
T3G
Senior Member
^Respectfully, I disagree. I think the quoted timeframe for intervals in between coaches being refurbished is 20 years (historically, at least, they tend to have followed this interval), and there's still a lot of BiLevels from the last order (2013-14) that haven't run up that timeframe yet. If the repainting is done as part of a refurb program then by all means, but the last thing I want to see ML spend money on, besides voice generation software, is in unnecessary repaints of coaches. There's not a small amount of coaches still left in the old livery and I would much rather they patch up their service wherever possible. Having a train of coaches all in one colour does nothing to help me get to school faster.
For some numbers: the contract they put out at the end of 2022 to repaint a whole bunch of rail equipment was valued at $18 million. That is not a small amount of money for a self indulgent branding exercise, and would be a particularly bad look currently with the daily bus cancellations. This should not be, remotely, a priority.
For some numbers: the contract they put out at the end of 2022 to repaint a whole bunch of rail equipment was valued at $18 million. That is not a small amount of money for a self indulgent branding exercise, and would be a particularly bad look currently with the daily bus cancellations. This should not be, remotely, a priority.
crs1026
Superstar
That video drive-by of Willowbrook is an interesting bit of data. I counted 43 coaches in the new paint, 12 in the old. Obviously my count is a small and possibly unrepresentative sample but it does hint that the bulk of the fleet is now in the new paint. I don't favour waste either, but at some point I'd declare victory and not begrudge the small amount (when it gets to be a truly small amount in the context of the ML budget) to finish the job.
Let's just not rebrand again any time soon.
- Paul
T3G
Senior Member
According to a quick count I did of the CPTDB wiki, they have 402 coaches still listed in the old colours. I don't know if this is a fully accurate number as it does include some of the Series VII coaches (2522-2544, 2600-2661 and 242-250) which are currently undergoing repainting, but it does suggest that the number is far less trivial than one would think. I'm not aware of anything from the Series III, IV, V*, or VII orders having been taking in for repainting yet except for 2808 which was done around 8 years ago.
It might be only a small amount in the context of the ML budget, but ML is astonishingly poor at making use of their money. How many new MCI coaches can $18 million buy? I know what would deliver more value for the average GO rider.
* The switch to the new livery happened about midway through the refurbishing of the Series V cars, so some of them have only a 10 year old paint scheme.
drum118
Superstar
I have seen two sets that were all in the new colour scheme with the old colour power on it. Have seen set with 2-5 old colours on them. Have never like the new scheme but will never see a bitter one in my life time.
RU479
Active Member
In Metrolinx’s Asset Management procurements, they have a provision for the repainting of the Series III, IV, and VIII cars.
APTA-2048
Senior Member
A lot of those are getting pretty faded and worn. I don't really have a problem with repainting them. Through Metrolinx also just awarded a contract last year to refurbish them. Don't know how far out that will be.
cplchanb
Senior Member
its ironic that ML are desperate to shore up their image with line 5 and 6, yet ignore easy low hanging fruit such as putting together trains to show 1 unified livery and a consistent brand image instead of a what currently there. its like a disorganized bunch of random freight cars.
in fact wouldnt it be easier then if they sent 1 entire assembled train to the paintshop all at once instead of having to pick and choose from rainbows?
in fact wouldnt it be easier then if they sent 1 entire assembled train to the paintshop all at once instead of having to pick and choose from rainbows?
WB62
Senior Member
I don't think you understand how equipment is cycled and maintained.
You’re constantly complaining about how Metrolinx wastes money, yet you’d like to see more fuel, employees, and hours (all $$$$) go towards rearranging trains in a unrealistic way that’s unnecessary and doesn’t impact the customer’s experience in a meaningful way.
By the end of the decade the trains should be in a consistent livery, either from the repaint contract mentioned above, or the remaining railcar refurbishments being completed.
You’re constantly complaining about how Metrolinx wastes money, yet you’d like to see more fuel, employees, and hours (all $$$$) go towards rearranging trains in a unrealistic way that’s unnecessary and doesn’t impact the customer’s experience in a meaningful way.
By the end of the decade the trains should be in a consistent livery, either from the repaint contract mentioned above, or the remaining railcar refurbishments being completed.
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cplchanb
Senior Member
Considering that the livery was introduced in the early 2010s, 15 years to bring trains up to shape is an incredulously low bar to set. If theyre going to take that long just to repaint.... just imagine how long its actually going to take for go 2.0. We'll all be dead before the full plan is realised, if it hasn't alrwsy been further diluted
WB62
Senior Member
Just a few messages up someone explained to you why it’s been a drawn out process. Coaches up until this point have only been repainted after undergoing a full refurbishment.
I try not be to be snarky on UrbanToronto but please, don’t say anything if you aren’t reading the thread
generalcanada
Senior Member
this is so weird, why would they lie about that. they didnt like the idea that other countries produce better cars than us? at a cheaper price?
Also the reference to go Expansion trains too. The rumored electric locos that have been scrapped?