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Premier Doug Ford's Ontario

Now calling the protesters, "professional paid protesters". Doesn't that sound familar?


While I disagree with the bill in question substantively; and I also disagree with Doug Ford in general, and find his comments here ill considered, at best......

I would also say.............the tactics of Ford's opponents keep failing.

There has to be a moment where you wonder why you're unable to resonate with the broader public.

I have issues w/Marit that I've expressed in the past, but I will say, i think she's recently been able to make cogent arguments as to why the gov't is wrong. But so what, if the public either never hears those arguments or doesn't buy them.

There are a few fundamental approaches to opposition (in the party sense and in the broader sense).

One is to persuade your rival to reconsider their position. To articulate, using their own language and ideas why this particular plan/policy/project are not the right choice.

Two, is to rile the public by making them dislike your rival and to fear or hate the plan in question. (and precipitate lawful protest/action)

Three is to engage the public such as to to become a serious opponent for your rival and simply make them fear losing power.

Four is to consider fomenting a level of disruption to public life such that people who disagree w/you relent, as 'peace' is more appealing than 'war'. (Think General Strikes; or causing major traffic disruptions).

That last one is high stakes poker, and not to be pursued lightly. But its an option. Its a very common tactic in France.

Any which way...........none of the 4 appear to be being effectively executed here. The polls don't move, the NDP and the Libs don't get that much media play and seem unable to use the time they do get to great effect; and the gov't continues to act as if it had no serious opposition.

There needs to be a re-think of strategy here. Its not enough to be right; if you keep losing.
 
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While I disagree with the bill in question substantively; and I also disagree with Doug Ford in general, and find his comments here ill considered, at best......

I would also say.............the tactics of Ford's opponents keep failing.

There has to be a moment where you wonder why you're unable to resonate with the broader public.

I have issues w/Marit that I've expressed in the past, but I will say, i think she's recently been able to make cogent arguments as to why the gov't is wrong. But so what, if the public either never hears those arguments or doesn't buy them.

There are a few fundamental approaches to opposition (in the party sense and in the broader sense).

One is to persuade your rival to reconsider their position. To articulate, using their own language and ideas why this particular plan/policy/project are not the right choice.

Two, is to rile the public by making them dislike your rival and to fear or hate the plan in question. (and precipitate lawful protest/action)

Three is to engage the public such as to to become a serious opponent for your rival and simply make them fear losing power.

Four is to consider fomenting a level of disruption to public life such that people who disagree w/you relent, as 'peace' is more appealing that 'war'. (Think General Strikes; or causing major traffic disruptions).

That last one is high stakes poker, and not to be pursued lightly. But its an option. Its a very common tactic in France.

Any which way...........none of the 4 appear to be being effectively executed here. The polls don't move, the NDP and the Libs don't get that much media play and seem unable to use the time they do get to great effect; and the gov't continues to act as if it had no serious opposition.

There needs to be a re-think of strategy here. Its not enough to be right; if you keep losing.
No that's a fair point. The OLP and ONDP have been very weak at opposing him. And they have to figure out a way to punch through, beyond the noise. They need to find a way to reach people on social media and make it relatable. And also on other media. And they need to keep it short and memorable.
 
No that's a fair point. The OLP and ONDP have been very weak at opposing him. And they have to figure out a way to punch through, beyond the noise. They need to find a way to reach people on social media and make it relatable. And also on other media. And they need to keep it short and memorable.
It's interesting that we see a similar thing happening to P.P and his incessant ' noise'. So the question becomes, if noise doesn't have traction to effect change, what will ? There comes a time when heretofore intelligent people just shut out the noise. It may be called 'intelligent stupidity', and can be applied most glaringly to the reasonably intelligent Trump supporters who simply choose to look the other way. Ford has made enough blunders to sink most leaders historically, yet he reigns in a majority position. Perhaps the grim reaper is paying more attention.
 

The Trillium: Company given $2M from Skills Development Fund run by Ford family dentist: sources

Great investigative piece from The Trillium that goes into way more detail than what I'll paste here:

A company that received millions of Ontario taxpayer dollars from the Skills Development Fund is run by a dentist whose clinic’s clientele has included members of Premier Doug Ford’s family, according to eight well-placed sources, and the clinic’s website.

The premier said Thursday that while he and his children don’t go to John Maggirias’s dental clinic near his family home, his brother’s children might.

“I’m sure, maybe one of them, but I don’t know,” the premier said when asked by The Trillium about the dentist’s claim that he treats the Ford family.

The eight sources — including two who’ve worked in Progressive Conservative politics, four who’ve worked with Maggirias, and two from the dental sector more broadly — said Maggirias often boasted about his connections to the Ford family.

[...]

On Thursday, the premier said he had nothing to do with Dentacloud getting money from the Skills Development Fund.

“I don't get involved in all of the decisions,” said Ford. “I don't believe in micromanaging.”


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the gaslighting is astounding
 

The Trillium: Company given $2M from Skills Development Fund run by Ford family dentist: sources

Great investigative piece from The Trillium that goes into way more detail than what I'll paste here:

A company that received millions of Ontario taxpayer dollars from the Skills Development Fund is run by a dentist whose clinic’s clientele has included members of Premier Doug Ford’s family, according to eight well-placed sources, and the clinic’s website.

The premier said Thursday that while he and his children don’t go to John Maggirias’s dental clinic near his family home, his brother’s children might.

“I’m sure, maybe one of them, but I don’t know,” the premier said when asked by The Trillium about the dentist’s claim that he treats the Ford family.

The eight sources — including two who’ve worked in Progressive Conservative politics, four who’ve worked with Maggirias, and two from the dental sector more broadly — said Maggirias often boasted about his connections to the Ford family.


[...]

On Thursday, the premier said he had nothing to do with Dentacloud getting money from the Skills Development Fund.

“I don't get involved in all of the decisions,” said Ford. “I don't believe in micromanaging.”


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the gaslighting is astounding
Anyone surprised? And he’s getting away with this. Ford IS a micromanager, he knows exactly what is going on.
 

The Trillium: Company given $2M from Skills Development Fund run by Ford family dentist: sources

Great investigative piece from The Trillium that goes into way more detail than what I'll paste here:

A company that received millions of Ontario taxpayer dollars from the Skills Development Fund is run by a dentist whose clinic’s clientele has included members of Premier Doug Ford’s family, according to eight well-placed sources, and the clinic’s website.

The premier said Thursday that while he and his children don’t go to John Maggirias’s dental clinic near his family home, his brother’s children might.

“I’m sure, maybe one of them, but I don’t know,” the premier said when asked by The Trillium about the dentist’s claim that he treats the Ford family.

The eight sources — including two who’ve worked in Progressive Conservative politics, four who’ve worked with Maggirias, and two from the dental sector more broadly — said Maggirias often boasted about his connections to the Ford family.


[...]

On Thursday, the premier said he had nothing to do with Dentacloud getting money from the Skills Development Fund.

“I don't get involved in all of the decisions,” said Ford. “I don't believe in micromanaging.”


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the gaslighting is astounding
Not surprised. But I'm sure those teeth are extra clean! And in the office probably is the stash! Looks like this dentist is the first stop on the gravy train!
 
It's interesting that we see a similar thing happening to P.P and his incessant ' noise'. So the question becomes, if noise doesn't have traction to effect change, what will ? There comes a time when heretofore intelligent people just shut out the noise. It may be called 'intelligent stupidity', and can be applied most glaringly to the reasonably intelligent Trump supporters who simply choose to look the other way. Ford has made enough blunders to sink most leaders historically, yet he reigns in a majority position. Perhaps the grim reaper is paying more attention.

Ford may not be popular here but he seems to be resonating with the public and that’s why he keeps winning elections. Look at the speed cameras which he cancelled. A lot of people see it is cash grab and so by him cancelling it, people see it as keeping money in their pockets.

I got a ticket for going 53 on Mount Pleasant which they seem to have changed to a 40 zone. I had to pay almost 90 dollars. So if you get a couple of these it adds up. Him cancelling it makes large swaths of the electorate who drive happy. They are willing to overlook other issues if they think will come out better financially. Look down south for a good example of this.
 
Ford may not be popular here but he seems to be resonating with the public and that’s why he keeps winning elections. Look at the speed cameras which he cancelled. A lot of people see it is cash grab and so by him cancelling it, people see it as keeping money in their pockets.

I got a ticket for going 53 on Mount Pleasant which they seem to have changed to a 40 zone. I had to pay almost 90 dollars. So if you get a couple of these it adds up. Him cancelling it makes large swaths of the electorate who drive happy. They are willing to overlook other issues if they think will come out better financially. Look down south for a good example of this.
This ultimate comes down to Ford bribing the electorate with their own money. And I include the money you don't pay for going 13 km/h over the speed limit (but am not trying to single you out). People seemingly don't care about all the crap, because they're getting money. And I do not understand how they can be so gullible; however clearly it works
 
Ford may not be popular here but he seems to be resonating with the public and that’s why he keeps winning elections. Look at the speed cameras which he cancelled. A lot of people see it is cash grab and so by him cancelling it, people see it as keeping money in their pockets.
This ultimate comes down to Ford bribing the electorate with their own money. And I include the money you don't pay for going 13 km/h over the speed limit (but am not trying to single you out). People seemingly don't care about all the crap, because they're getting money. And I do not understand how they can be so gullible; however clearly it works

Certainly there is a financial element to Ford's popularity for some; be it speed cameras, road tolls or removing the annual license plate fee.

But I will argue its more than that.

The license plate fee/renewal has been a sore point with many not just because of the money, but because it was a hassle. For most of its existence an annual trip to the local Service Ontario where one needed to remember one's insurance, and then get to the front of the interminable line before realizing you hadn't checked the odometer as required.... it was a 1/2 day off work, unpaid for many, or giving up a Saturday morning.

Was it some awful burden? Nah, but it was a hassle that most felt achieved little. Ford didn't just make the fee go away, your plate now renews every year, by itself, no stickers.

That's frankly good retail politics. It may not be the best for government coffers, but I would argue road tolls while unpopular made more sense in the era of automatic billing by cameras.
Regrettably, they did away w/that too. But again, that's not just money, that's "I can take the fastest route that works for me without thinking about the money"

This is the same logic as handing out 'personal' cell numbers to the general public..... Doug nixed that stunt after a short bit, but his his late brother Rob employed it to great effect. Did he really make the wheels of gov't go faster for most? Nah.
Did he address any systemic flaws be that under-funding or organization/prioritization in situations he addressed? Nope.

But a handful of times, he got someone's snow cleared, he got work orders for public housing tenants that had languished for months addressed within a week, and people remember those things and talk about them no end to others.

He's also frankly good at reading the public mood, when he goes off on a rant about Trump/The U.S. or how long it takes to get something done (even if he isn't fixing that), or puts booze in corner stores.... there are people going "Finally, some common sense" here, there and everywhere.

Many of his policy remedies are 1/2 baked, or ill timed, and the appearance of large scale grift is yet another profound concern.

But other politicians needs to pay attention just the same. Solve a problem, in clear, understandable language, where the benefit will be widely felt.

It doesn't have to be lowering taxes; but it does have to be lifting some irksome regulation of low value that annoys people; or simplifying something people hate ( there's a real winner to be had in a one-page tax return for someone, and better still, universal auto-filing, so no more tax returns.)

At the provincial level that could be lowering the drinking age to 18 (just like Quebec), and a 3AM last call (more booze, I know) but the virtue here is that no really thinks either of those would cause mass harm or have in Quebec, but a large constituency (teens), but also bar owners and club owners would love it; and it costs nothing.

Provincially, there are lots of policy ideas that are more substantive, but its finding a way to cut through the BS. Lets take healthcare. One thing people experience wait times for and in some cases geographic hassle is diagnostic imaging.

This is an important one simply because is comparatively easy and cheap to address. When you look at machines of these types CT, MRI and PET, Ontario has too few relative to peer jurisdictions on a per capita basis.

The one-time capital cost of buying another 100 CTs is ~100M, another 50MRIs ~75M, and another 50 PET Scanners ~200M, so all-in 375M, or 187.5M per year for two years. Its a rounding error in the provincial budget. You need more trained staff to run them, that takes about 2 years, training an additional 600 staff over 3-4 years is viable, and some incentives that delay retirement or cover some overtime can finish the job.

Your sustained cost for operating the additional machines and additional hours is maybe in the range 100M per year.

But thing is if you can clearly say 'Within 2 years no one will ever wait more than 2 weeks for a scan, ever' You'll be popular.

If every Toronto hospital had a PET Scanner, and you filled in some of those gaps in the province that involve multi-hour drives by adding them in NB, Timmins, the Sault, Sarnia, Ptbo, Belleville, Niagara and Owen Sound
boy will you be popular with a slew of patients, caregivers and medical professionals.

Clarity, and understandably communicating "This benefits YOU" is key.
 
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A few weeks back I had to do something a Service Ontario. I was dreading it.

I showed up and there was no line. I went straight to the counter.

This was 11am on Monday. I couldn't believe it.
 
Certainly there is a financial element to Ford's popularity for some; be it speed cameras, road tolls or removing the annual license plate fee.

But I will argue its more than that.

The license plate fee/renewal has been a sore point with many not just because of the money, but because it was a hassle. For most of its existence an annual trip to the local Service Ontario where one needed to remember one's insurance, and then get to the front of the interminable line before realizing you hadn't checked the odometer as required.... it was a 1/2 day off work, unpaid for many, or giving up a Saturday morning.

Was it some awful burden? Nah, but it was a hassle that most felt achieved little. Ford didn't just make the fee go away, your plate now renews every year, by itself, no stickers.

That's frankly good retail politics. It may not be the best for government coffers, but I would argue road tolls while unpopular made more sense in the era of automatic billing by cameras.
Regrettably, they did away w/that too. But again, that's not just money, that's "I can the fastest route that works for me without thinking about the money"

This is the same logic as handing out 'personal' cell numbers to the general public..... Doug nixed that stunt after a short bit, but his his late brother Rob employed it to great effect. Did he really make the wheels of gov't go faster for most? Nah.
Did he address any systemic flaws be that under-funding or organization/prioritization in situations he addressed? Nope.

But a handful of times, he got someone's snow cleared, he got work orders for public housing tenants that had languished for months addressed within a week, and people remember those things and talk about them no end to others.

He's also frankly good at reading the public mood, when he goes off on a rant about Trump/The U.S. or how long it takes to get something done (even if he isn't fixing that), or puts booze in corner stores.... there are people going "Finally, some common sense" here, there and everywhere.

Many of his policy remedies are 1/2 baked, or ill timed, and the appearance of large scale grift is yet another profound concern.

But other politicians needs to pay attention just the same. Solve a problem, in clear, understandable language, where the benefit will be widely felt.

It doesn't have to be lowering taxes; but it does have to be lifting some irksome regulation of low value that annoys people; or simplifying something people hate ( there's a real winner to be had in a one-page tax return for someone, and better still, universal auto-filing, so no more tax returns.

At the provincial level that could be lowering the drinking age to 18 (just like Quebec), and a 3AM last call (more booze, I know) but the virtue here is that no really thinks either of those would cause mass harm or have in Quebec, but a large constituency (teens), but also bar owners and club owners would love it; and it costs nothing.

Provincially, there are lots of policy ideas that more substantive, but its finding a way to cut through the BS. Lets take healthcare. One thing people experience wait times for and in some cases geographic hassle is diagnostic imaging.

This is an important one simply because is comparatively easy and cheap to address. When you look at machines of these types CT, MRI and PET, Ontario has too few relative to peer jurisdictions on a per capita basis.

The one-time capital cost of buying another 100 CTs is ~100M, another 50MRIs ~75M, and another 50 PET Scanners ~200M, so all-in 375M, or 187.5M per year for two years. Its a rounding error in the provincial budget. You need more trained staff to run them, that takes about 2 years, training an additional 600 staff over 3-4 years is viable, and some incentive that delay retirement or cover some overtime can finish the job.

Your sustained cost for operating the additional machines and additional hours is maybe in the range 100M per year.

But thing is if you can clear say 'Within 2 years no one will ever wait more than 2 weeks for a scan, ever' You'll be popular.

If every Toronto hospital had a PET Scanner, and you filled in some of those gaps in the province that involve multi-hour drives by adding them in NB, Timmins, the Sault, Sarnia, Ptbo, Belleville, Niagara and Owen Sound
boy will you be popular with a slew of patients, caregivers and medical professionals.

Clarity, and understandably communicating "This benefits YOU" is key.
Oh, and if we’re going to lower the legal drinking age, there better be more health warnings wherever booze is sold. The drinking causing fetal harm warning is not enough as alcohol is also proven to cause cancer in the long term. The warnings need to be graphic, just like tobacco. After all, increased access requires increased health awareness.

Legal drinking age hospitalizations are a known phenomenon after all.
 
A few weeks back I had to do something a Service Ontario. I was dreading it.

I showed up and there was no line. I went straight to the counter.

This was 11am on Monday. I couldn't believe it.
Service Ontario, in my experience, has been good for timing/staffing since the Wynne days. I recently re-read a post I'd made (elsewhere) in 2014 about getting my Driver's License and OHIP cards renewed and being out the door in 12 minutes. This was at the massive SO at College Park; downtown Toronto.

If only the feds could get that level of efficiency going in the passport offices.
 
Yeah, I got an email saying I have to renew my license and health card, and was immediately filled with a sense of dread. But then my wife told me when she did it earlier this year, she just made an appointment and it was super efficient.

The passport offices are also working well these days! Some people are in and out in half an hour from anecdotes I received.
 

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