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Cycling infrastructure (Separated bike lanes)

turbanplanner said:
How am I trolling? I've given sources for some of my claims, and unlike others I'm not throwing insults at people. I go out in the real world and have spend dozens of hours collecting data to share here. The 3 days of sifting through footage took me over 100 hours....
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Nobody asked you to waste your private time like that - do you think we owe you something?
 
turbanplanner said:
Is everyone so blinded we can't see reality? It's hilarious to see people arguing against subway lines here because there won't be many users (Sheppard extensions) Kipling is an Arterial road in an industrial area. The west side has hydro equipment, and various warehouses (some owned by the TTC) There is a pretty steep hill for the subway. I lived in the area for years and did not see a single bike on the re-designed portions of Kipling, Bloor or Dundas.

Kipling is fairly busy, you actually see cars unlike bikes in most of the lanes out west. I've maybe seen 10 in the last 2 years on royal york!

There is congestion for cars turning to either north queen or west onto roads like Jutland. It's very unlikely the area will densify in our lifetimes. Why don't we put bike lanes on the 400 highways? Because it doesn't make sense.

Who is the target user? Why are we wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars for maybe 10 people a day? The city is CRYING to the feds and province for money and until recently they were planning to throw away millions to changing signs.
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Here is an idea. How about we add bidirectional cycle tracks on the grass shoulder or a multi use trail to replace the sidewalk. Then there is a safe way to bike walk and drive. Make some road alterations near intersections to improve safety in the statistical most dangerous points in travel. I feel people think it is an either or decision, sometimes it is like bloor dur to space. However, it usually is not outside the city center. Another way to improve safety is roundabouts at large intersections. Believe me that most intersections are not as busy as people think. Red light bunching just creates that perception.
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turbanplanner said:
I'll re word it, since I realize it sounds a bit ambiguous. The footage starts at 6AM and runs till about 7PM. That's 13 hours of video x3 days, since I'm counting thousands of objects I have to pause, then note the vehicle mode/direction into excel.

I have to either pause to count, or watch 5 mins in 1 direction, note the vehicles, rewind and count the opposite direction. It took a lot more work than I was expecting TBH.


The city did a single before count on the roads in question, and then did 3 counts all on sunny peak cycling weather days in April and May. For a city with 120 days a year with rain, and warm summers this seems like a huge thing to miss in a study. Their next count is for October. I don't see anything planned for December, or January.

The cities own website says to expect only 20% of the summer numbers in the winter. I am not against bike lanes, I use bike share, and I support grade separated bike lanes. If the city was to take away some of the grass on the west side of the road and make a multi use trail (which they did on the north end) I think this would be a win for everyone.
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The same arguments you make saying that the cycling lanes are under-utilized on a stretch that for over 50 years has not been safe to bike on is equivalent to saying that no one is walking on a sidewalk that was just constructed on a road that has been constructed on a previously dangerous sidewalk-less road. Your studies can't take place immediately, otherwise that would just be a kneejerk reaction.
 
adys123 said:
The same arguments you make saying that the cycling lanes are under-utilized on a stretch that for over 50 years has not been safe to bike on is equivalent to saying that no one is walking on a sidewalk that was just constructed on a road that has been constructed on a previously dangerous sidewalk-less road. Your studies can't take place immediately, otherwise that would just be a kneejerk reaction.
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Rational arguments (such as this) clearly have no effect. Better to stop feeding the troll!
 
I took a ride around 8pm last night to check out the new intersection at St. George and Bloor. Rode from Danforth and Pape all the way across, tried all the directions at the intersection, left turns, etc. Such a great experience and so many people around checking things out. The bike lanes leading up to and after it are exceptional. It was great to be in the Annex and see the street life and pedestrians out and about.

Then I rode down Queen's Park to see the new University Ave. lanes. Just wild. Such a great feeling having that kind of space to pass and not worrying about someone quickly pulling over. Took Adelaide back across to the east end, then up Bayview. A really awesome experience and a great way to get around the city. Kudos to everyone involved.
 
Carpe Diem said:
I took a ride around 8pm last night to check out the new intersection at St. George and Bloor. Rode from Danforth and Pape all the way across, tried all the directions at the intersection, left turns, etc. Such a great experience and so many people around checking things out. The bike lanes leading up to and after it are exceptional. It was great to be in the Annex and see the street life and pedestrians out and about.

Then I rode down Queen's Park to see the new University Ave. lanes. Just wild. Such a great feeling having that kind of space to pass and not worrying about someone quickly pulling over. Took Adelaide back across to the east end, then up Bayview. A really awesome experience and a great way to get around the city. Kudos to everyone involved.
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Great commentary, and will be appreciated by those involved.
 
adys123 said:
The same arguments you make saying that the cycling lanes are under-utilized on a stretch that for over 50 years has not been safe to bike on is equivalent to saying that no one is walking on a sidewalk that was just constructed on a road that has been constructed on a previously dangerous sidewalk-less road. Your studies can't take place immediately, otherwise that would just be a kneejerk reaction.
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Indeed. I hardly ever see any pedestrians walking along Kipling - maybe the city should stop wasting money building sidewalks!! 🤣
 
Towered said:
Nobody asked you to waste your private time like that - do you think we owe you something?
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When did I say that? I just pointed out it’s unlikely a troll is going to go waste hours to collect data.

On the other hand plenty of people here have been objectively nasty to me, and not a peep. Y’all even joke about “little breaks” because it’s cool to pick on me! but it’s totally cool to victim blame me when witnessed an assault back on the ttc thread.
evandyk said:
But it's kind of funny to read things like "Kipling is just one street away from Islington" or "Poor people can't afford to buy bikes, so they drive cars." Comic relief.
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We are talking about north south routes, can you let me know any between Kipling and Islington?
 
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adys123 said:
The same arguments you make saying that the cycling lanes are under-utilized on a stretch that for over 50 years has not been safe to bike on is equivalent to saying that no one is walking on a sidewalk that was just constructed on a road that has been constructed on a previously dangerous sidewalk-less road. Your studies can't take place immediately, otherwise that would just be a kneejerk reaction.
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My concern is even places that are objectively better to cycle on get low use. I feel a lot of people here are ignoring reality, oh people in Amsterdam cycle in the winter but ignore the city’s own numbers saying usage is only 20%.

If the city is in a such a budget crunch why not add lanes in places there is actually an EXISTING demand?
 
turbanplanner said:
Agreed, but everything is a balance. Otherwise, we would cut the speed limits in half
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Your idea of balance is that it is acceptable for a small amount of people to die per year to shave minutes off your commute. Got it. 🤣

We don't want balance. We want to keep people from getting maimed or killed while biking.
 
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