Cycling infrastructure (Separated bike lanes)

[nfitz]

There's literally houses and a suburb just south of West Queen. And a massively wide right-of-way on Kipling and West Queen.

To suggest that they don't add bike infrastructure when they are doing future rebuilds is simply trolling.

 

[turbanplanner]

There's literally houses and a suburb just south of West Queen. And a massively wide right-of-way on Kipling and West Queen.

To suggest that they don't add bike infrastructure when they are doing future rebuilds is simply trolling.

If it's a rebuild that's a fair thing do to! If it's a multi use trail like the North end I doubt most people would be against it. (see photo)
I think grade separating the lanes and adding a multi use trail is indeed a good idea.

From what I remember it won't be like that and they're going to take out the centre lane and add bike lanes on each side. Yes there are houses but unless you're going to bike to the mall or Ikea there isn't anything worth heading to west bound.

 

[nfitz]

From what I remember it won't be like that and they're going to take out the centre lane[/B] and add bike lanes on each side. Yes there are houses but unless you're going to bike to the mall or Ikea there isn't anything worth heading to west bound.

Unless I'm mistaken, Kipling is north-south. It's about 1,500 metres from that suburb to the south entrance of Kipling Station at Munster - which has a bike parking area. On Lake Shore, just south of the tracks, is a high school. There's a big potential pool of cyclists.

As your picture shows, there's a massive amount of right-of-way space on Kipling. It's wide enough for 6 lanes of traffic. So it's wide enough to add bike lanes.

 

[turbanplanner]

Unless I'm mistaken, Kipling is north-south. It's about 1,500 metres from that suburb to the south entrance of Kipling Station at Munster - which has a bike parking area. On Lake Shore, just south of the tracks, is a high school. There's a big potential pool of cyclists.

As for North Queen - it terminates in Sherway Gardens. Which has a lot of young employees who can't afford to drive. There's more than enough space between the curb and the sidewalk to add bike lanes.

I feel like this is a misconception, basically all of the lower income people I know drive, as you can't really bike in the winter effectively and the lower wage Jobs aren't tolerant of being late.

I feel like anything aside from a multi use path is the worst case for everyone.

As for Biking to the mall or lake, the TTC has excellent coverage of this area. It's rare to go more than 5 mins without seeing the 44, and the 123 is fairly frequent

 

[nfitz]

If you think everyone is driving, then I don't know what city you are living in.

 

[turbanplanner]

If you think everyone is driving, then I don't know what city you are living in.

Not everyone is driving but based on my own research a lot of the people biking have money for an electric bike or lycra. The majority of low wage workers aren't taking bikes, they're on the TTC

 

[bearcat]

Not everyone is driving but based on my own research a lot of the people biking have money for an electric bike or lycra. The majority of low wage workers aren't taking bikes, they're on the TTC

Are.you specifically talking about people biking along more "suburban" parts of Toronto? Downton the vast majority of people biking are certainly not in Lycra and the majority are not on an expensive electric bike (except those working for the delivery apps). There is a lot of of people dressed in regular office clothing on Bike Share and commuter bikes.

Bike Share is only like $8.75 + tax per month, very affordable for low wage workers, it's like 3 TTC fares.

 

[nfitz]

Not everyone is driving but based on my own research a lot of the people biking have money for an electric bike or lycra. The majority of low wage workers aren't taking bikes, they're on the TTC

I wouldn't take a bike down Kipling until they improve the cycling infrastructure and separated bike lanes!

But electric bikes? That's not what I see most of the time.

 

[PinkLucy]

Kipling is fairly busy, you actually see cars unlike bikes in most of the lanes out west. I've maybe seen 10 in the last 2 years on royal york!

Do you go at 2 am? I see more than 10 every time I am there (morning and afternoons but not rush hour). When I lived closer, I used Royal York regularly, and I certainly wasn’t the only one.

At this point, your trolling is becoming tiresome, and it may be time for another break from UT.

 

[turbanplanner]

Do you go at 2 am? I see more than 10 every time I am there (morning and afternoons but not rush hour). When I lived closer, I used Royal York regularly, and I certainly wasn’t the only one.

At this point, your trolling is becoming tiresome, and it may be time for another break from UT.

How am I trolling? I've given sources for some of my claims, and unlike others I'm not throwing insults at people. I go out in the real world and have spend dozens of hours collecting data to share here. The 3 days of sifting through footage took me over 100 hours.... I've even shared screenshots as evidence for several claims. That doesn't sound like any sort of troll I've heard before.

People will fight tooth and nail about how other projects are wasteful (413, highway expansions, subway extensions) but I guess my crime is going against the dogma around here...

 

[PinkLucy]

There are actual counting mechanisms and studies such as the Pedal Poll in places you do your “studies” that refute your claims, but you never acknowledge those. How about sources for all of your claims, not just some? Pretty amazing how you spend 100 hours over 3 days when there are only 72 hours in that time frame. But I guess that’s just another example of the accuracy and reliability of your studies.

 

[DSCToronto]

Do you go at 2 am? I see more than 10 every time I am there (morning and afternoons but not rush hour). When I lived closer, I used Royal York regularly, and I certainly wasn’t the only one.

At this point, your trolling is becoming tiresome, and it may be time for another break from UT.

I have found the ignoring of Mr TurbanPlanner quite refreshing!

 

[PinkLucy]

I have found the ignoring of Mr TurbanPlanner quite refreshing!

I don’t have that option.

 

[MisterF]

This guy cracks me up with his "studies".

Imagine an industrial area? Where are people biking to? Ikea?

Their jobs.

I feel like this is a misconception, basically all of the lower income people I know drive, as you can't really bike in the winter effectively and the lower wage Jobs aren't tolerant of being late.

You can bike effectively in the winter when bike paths are separated from traffic and they're ploughed after it snows. If subarctic Finns can bike effectively in the winter than so can Canadians in a relatively temperate city like Toronto.

The majority of low wage workers aren't taking bikes, they're on the TTC

Of course they're not biking when the areas they work in are so hostile to it. As the research shows, when a network of safe cycling infrastructure is provided then people use it. I'm not sure why anyone would think that low wage workers wouldn't take the cheapest form of transportation when that option is actually safe.

 

[turbanplanner]

There are actual counting mechanisms and studies such as the Pedal Poll in places you do your “studies” that refute your claims, but you never acknowledge those. How about sources for all of your claims, not just some? Pretty amazing how you spend 100 hours over 3 days when there are only 72 hours in that time frame. But I guess that’s just another example of the accuracy and reliability of your studies.

I'll re word it, since I realize it sounds a bit ambiguous. The footage starts at 6AM and runs till about 7PM. That's 13 hours of video x3 days, since I'm counting thousands of objects I have to pause, then note the vehicle mode/direction into excel.

I have to either pause to count, or watch 5 mins in 1 direction, note the vehicles, rewind and count the opposite direction. It took a lot more work than I was expecting TBH.

This guy cracks me up with his "studies".


You can bike effectively in the winter when bike paths are separated from traffic and they're ploughed after it snows. If subarctic Finns can bike effectively in the winter than so can Canadians in a relatively temperate city like Toronto.

The city did a single before count on the roads in question, and then did 3 counts all on sunny peak cycling weather days in April and May. For a city with 120 days a year with rain, and warm summers this seems like a huge thing to miss in a study. Their next count is for October. I don't see anything planned for December, or January.

The cities own website says to expect only 20% of the summer numbers in the winter. I am not against bike lanes, I use bike share, and I support grade separated bike lanes. If the city was to take away some of the grass on the west side of the road and make a multi use trail (which they did on the north end) I think this would be a win for everyone.