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Waterloo Region Transit Developments (ION LRT, new terminal, GRT buses)

Unless you use the historic routings through UW.
In the early 00s, a few years before the big service increases and when GRT was still mostly operating the services it inherited from the Kitchener and Cambridge transit systems, the only bus route that actually entered the U of W campus on late evenings and Sundays was one branch of route 7 every 30 minutes, plus route 8 (every 45 minutes with its inscrutable interlining pattern) and route 12 (every 60 minutes I think) that stopped in front of UW on University avenue. I think route 9 entered the campus during the day on Sunday (once an hour), though it may have short turned at King and University. These last two routes didn't go to downtown Kitchener, but route 9 roughly corresponded to the present LRT routing between UW and Conestoga mall.

Though with the all the capital spent on the LRT they should commit to a minimum service standard at all hours. This is how you end up with the situation like YRT with billion dollar busways with service every 25 minutes. KW is also a lot different than it was 20 years ago. It used to be when the place was almost dead on Sundays, and a lot of things weren't open Sunday despite being a bit over a decade after Sunday shopping was legalized. Some of the new subdivisions springing up near the University had no transit at all. Downtown Kitchener was full of vacant factories and didn't have a grocery store. There also was no U-pass, and there were shuttles (school buses) chartered by the university and the student union to take students to grocery stores and some off campus housing because the transit service was so limited. Those late night every 30 minute 7 buses could be crush loaded too, so there was more demand that GRT was not yet serving.
 
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End of the day I think it's abundantly clear that Waterloo Region has both a desperate need for more service hours, and an awful lot of residents who's mental picture of the Region is as things were 20 or more years ago.

I am somewhat hopeful that GRT might be able to become something of a general transportation agency rather than the pure transit service it is today if the restructuring that will be needed with the removal of Regional planning authority happens.
 
End of the day I think it's abundantly clear that Waterloo Region has both a desperate need for more service hours, and an awful lot of residents who's mental picture of the Region is as things were 20 or more years ago.

I am somewhat hopeful that GRT might be able to become something of a general transportation agency rather than the pure transit service it is today if the restructuring that will be needed with the removal of Regional planning authority happens.

Many residents picture of the region is the opposite of reality its insane sometimes, every single planning application has swarms of people against it, a lot of the times people worry that "we're turning into Toronto". Recently in Kitchener however there has been a noticeable increase in positive comments thankfully, I know a few of these comments are from people in their late teens/early 20s so the demographic is starting to switch which certainly helps. So the idea that KW is the same as it was 20 years ago is slowly starting to disappear, however it is definitely shifting miles quicker in Kitchener than Waterloo/Cambridge, Waterloo still complains about 25-30 floor buildings. At the regional level they all think its still 20 years ago, the Regions planning staff is atrocious all they can seemingly do is design infrastructure for cars, (try walking through a regionally designed roundabout or bike on a regional road.)

Kitchener's planning staff on the other hand is miles better, in the last few years they've constructed the downtown cycling grid (pieces are missing in it because the Region refuses to include the infrastructure on their roads), most road reconstruction projects in the city promote traffic calming and active/public transit usage. (It's amazing to see what the currently under construction city owned section of Highland Rd looks like in comparison to the regional section), they are actively pushing developers to have less car dependent designs and the list goes on. If Kitchener's planning staff were to replace the Regions the cuts would not be happening solely because the city has had the ideological change already so they'd recognize that cuts are the opposite of what is needed.
 
Apparently we saved a dandy here in the region:

aroundtheregion.ca | Vintage GRT bus getting a Hollywood makeover

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Edit to add: Picture yoinked from the associated Facebook post, as the article didn't have it without text overlayed.
Damn, that old Kitchener Transit livery was sharp. I'd love to know who did the branding.

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an awful lot of residents who's mental picture of the Region is as things were 20 or more years ago.
More like they're nostalgic for it and would bring it back if they could.

The debate around the LRT was actually fairly divisive (at least by the standards of a midsize Ontario city in 2008), and was often about what kind of place KW should be rather than the utility of the LRT itself. Lots of people saw the LRT as a symbol of unwanted urban development and social changes more broadly (especially demographic changes and the encroachment of the GTA into KW's orbit), and sometimes expressed this directly. Especially in the Waterloo Record (which IIRC opposed the LRT) letters page and comments section. If one or two regional or municipal elections had gone the other way the whole thing could very well have been canned like what happened in London.

"we're turning into Toronto"
There actually were lots of variations of "we don't want to be Toronto" thrown out in the LRT debate, sometimes the phrase verbatim, and sometimes arguments that meant effectively the same thing but were coached in language about population growth and taxes and properly values and such. I always wonder how this debate would have played out in today's political environment. Would it have become a part of a bigger culture war?
 
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Damn, that old Kitchener Transit livery was sharp. I'd love to know who did the branding.

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I really missed it when they became GRT. It looks a little dated to me now, though still pretty sharp. It definitely looked better on the New Flyers than it did on the older GM New Look buses, and weird on the tiny little... things that they ran before that. I'm sure it wasn't the original livery on those little whatever-they-were's, but some of them were still running and had it when I was a kid. The windows were less prominent, and I just remember rolling tubes of yellowish cream.

I still like that logo. It was an arrow for going places, but also had the K and the T. Looked great at the top left of a transfer.
 
Some very nice graphic design came out in the 1960s and 1970s for Ontario Transit systems. GO Transit, Sudbury Transit, Oakville Transit are among my favourites.

I’d love Brampton Transit to bring back the pink lazy-b logo for the 50th anniversary of its city status next year. That was simple and sharp.

And yes, the Sudbury Transit livery was great for what was a small city (it didn’t serve the outlying towns until much later).
 
They can always renegotiate the contract, not to pick on the police budget but they ask for millions more every year and get it, there is no reason the LRT cannot have similar increases in funding.
Having thought more about it, I think the reason staff want to save money here is to be able to put as much funding into improving bus services (where the crowding is most significant) as possible. Suppose GRT gets $X increase in funding. If it does not have to renegotiate the LRT contract with Keolis, then the cost increase will be minimal. Hence they can put most of $X towards bus service. But if the LRT contract has to be renegotiated, then costs will likely increase by a lot (due to inflation), meaning they will have less leftover for bus expansion.

I believe GRT asked for a 4.8M budget increase over 2022. Whether they could get more is a different and important question, but the above point remains as further increases will be limited given the current funding constraints.
 
Why can't the contract be negotiated without a massive increase in cost? You're paying for the marginal increase in service.

How does the operation cost of an LRT compare to a diesel bus?
 
Having thought more about it, I think the reason staff want to save money here is to be able to put as much funding into improving bus services (where the crowding is most significant) as possible. Suppose GRT gets $X increase in funding. If it does not have to renegotiate the LRT contract with Keolis, then the cost increase will be minimal. Hence they can put most of $X towards bus service. But if the LRT contract has to be renegotiated, then costs will likely increase by a lot (due to inflation), meaning they will have less leftover for bus expansion.

I believe GRT asked for a 4.8M budget increase over 2022. Whether they could get more is a different and important question, but the above point remains as further increases will be limited given the current funding constraints.

The point is if the current operating contract doesn't allow for marginally more operating hours that what we already have without renegotiating the contract they really shouldn't be changing the service, sure 8 minute headways instead of 10 minutes is great, but if it comes with a reduction of evening service it doesn't make any sense, I will note that taking the LRT yesterday evening (on the train heading northbound from Fairway at 9:15) it was still full, at least half the seats were full, we also passed the 7 (the suggested alternative route) and it didn't have a single seat, there were already people standing so there was no way it could fit many more people. So GRTs use the 7 as an alternative is going to blow up in their faces really quick when they start getting full busses again. I entirely agree that they should be focusing on the busses since they are more of the issue currently, however they're not going to solve any of the problems by getting rid of late night LRT service, the status quo is working fine for now so they might as well leave it and invest whatever money they'll save by sticking at 10/15 minute headways except this is not how GRT seems to think.
 
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Why can't the contract be negotiated without a massive increase in cost? You're paying for the marginal increase in service.
What if Keolis is only barely breaking even on the current contract? Reopening it would offer them the perfect opportunity to renegotiate it and make it better for them.

Dan
 

Interesting tidbit - A ROW report will be released in March 2024 about the Cambridge-Guelph expansion
 
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