nfitz
Superstar
Where else?
How isn't Boston, Philadelphia, and San Francisco enough? If you go to the MBTA's page for the subway (https://www.mbta.com/guides/subway-guide) you can literally see a grade crossing in the second photo on the page!
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How isn't Boston, Philadelphia, and San Francisco enough? If you go to the MBTA's page for the subway (https://www.mbta.com/guides/subway-guide) you can literally see a grade crossing in the second photo on the page!
smallspy
Senior Member
All of those above cities do it.
And yet when they're underground, they're subways too.
Dan
felix123
Active Member
San Francisco refers to the system as Muni Metro(politan) Light Rail. They count some of their stops as subway stations, but on this official page they don't mischaracterize the whole system as subway.
https://www.sfmta.com/getting-aroun...ts,surface stations are wheelchair-accessible.
Melbourne calls its under construction commuter rail (Metro Trains Melbourne) tunnel the metro tunnel. In that case I believe it's intentional mischacterization, due to their embarrassment that Sydney has a metro (along with most other large, global, cosmopolitan cities).
Line 5 is going to be a big improvement over the bus, but based on all of the surface section testing videos to date, those who are misled into thinking it will run the way lines 1, 2 and 4 do are going to be disappointed.
https://www.sfmta.com/getting-aroun...ts,surface stations are wheelchair-accessible.
Melbourne calls its under construction commuter rail (Metro Trains Melbourne) tunnel the metro tunnel. In that case I believe it's intentional mischacterization, due to their embarrassment that Sydney has a metro (along with most other large, global, cosmopolitan cities).
Line 5 is going to be a big improvement over the bus, but based on all of the surface section testing videos to date, those who are misled into thinking it will run the way lines 1, 2 and 4 do are going to be disappointed.
drum118
Superstar
It would be know as speeding over the posted street speed limit unless the province allows it. Then, in some spots, speed would be very close to line 1+2+4
Tram lines like Finch in Europe run at posted speed limits on lines I have ridden
DirectionNorth
Senior Member
Metro Trains was named as such in 2009 - this is three years before the Sydney Metro as-built was conceived.
Boston puts the Green Line on its T maps. I think the Philly subway-surface lines get a different branding (just look at the name).
As for Eglinton, all we need to do was turn on traffic priority signals. On a $10 billion ($15+ billion with Eglinton West) transit line. Bleh.
Dan416
Senior Member
In SF I feel that BART takes the place of the subway in other cities. Muni is very local and often after taking BART. I found in my travels I'd mostly take BART and then a Muni bus, rarely I'd take the Muni metro, but I did a couple times. Staying in Oakland this last trip I discovered AC Transit was the only way to get back to Oakland after BART service ends. Had never even heard of it before. The Bay Area's public transit is surprisingly fragmented, but the fact that they all (or at least the ones i took) take the Clipper card somewhat helps.
They are all separate cities/counties so it somewhat makes sense. Pretty similar to the GTA with the various transit agencies, except that BART is regional and is much better than GO Transit, although I guess it's really a hybrid between the subway and GO.
felix123
Active Member
On that page they refer to the Green Line (pictured) as light rail. In contrast, they refer to the red, orange and blue lines as heavy rail.
felix123
Active Member
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but you're right that tram lines in some European cities run fast, as fast as the posted speed limit through intersections. Berlin comes to mind. Those trams really fly, even around curves.
nfitz
Superstar
That would be the type of subway.
drum118
Superstar
If Finch LRV's are over the street posted speed limit, they are speeding unless the Province allows them to do so. Same applies to Crosstown on the surface.
Found Paris T Lines slow compare to traffic as well a few other lines elsewhere with the ROW in the centre of the road.
T3G
Senior Member
Why would vehicles operating in their own private lane be subject to the general speed limit of the road? Makes about as much sense as expecting a subway to only run the speed limit of the street above.
crs1026
Superstar
Legislative inertia. Because that's how the law was written before anyone was seriously building separated transit lines in Ontario. The default was streetcar in a mixed roadway, where it makes perfect sense that trams match the road speed.
As several posters noted, it would be pretty easy to change the HTA to exempt LRT.... I doubt any party would oppose this.
But is it wise? In mid block, maybe.... but ..... while I'm not a fan of TTC slow orders, it would not make sense to let LRT's roll through intersections at 60-80 km/hr, even with traffic priority. Depends on how much deterrence there is around pedestrians crosssing, timing of traffic cycles, etc. Some of those other examples have full railway type crossing protection. Toronto's LRT design may not be compatible with high speed, even if the cars will ride comfortably.
- Paul
cplchanb
Senior Member
looks like the totem poles are all set up and lit at the science centre station entrances as of last night.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Chicago's Brown Line also has a handful of at grade intersections on it's outer sections, despite running full scale heavy-metro, high platform trains on the line:
Northern Light
Superstar
Looking at the crossing signals here, made me think about the service frequency. You simply could not do that with headways of 2'30 in both directions, the barriers would never lift!
The service on Brown Line has a very brief peak of ever 5 minutes; but runs every 10-12M off-peak through the daytime, evening and weekend hours.
I imagine the barriers must be up when an 'away' direction train is entirely within the station; typically such proximity would not allow for that, but I can't see how you would make this work elsewise.