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Richard White said:
Affordable yes but they likely do not break even at that price.
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Cost recovery is a slippery slope that can be debated forever, from a million angles.

Few if any public transit operations recover their costs.

No one should be surprised that GO doesn’t either.

There are viewpoints that even argue that transit should be free. I’m not a fan of that viewpoint, but I will say that in my view, weaning people away from the automobile is probably a more important objective for GTA transit than cost recovery, especially with such an impasse around fare integration.

I’m not a fan of subsidising long distance commuting either, but with housing supply in such a mess, I will park that one for another day.

- Paul
 
Bordercollie said:
Maybe $10 from Oshawa to Niagara seems cheap, but the point is that it's intention is to provide an affordable means for people to travel in the region. It's to encourage people to take the train instead of driving. If it was $15 maybe people would drive.
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At 1.55 per liter, 206 km distance and let's say 7.0 L/100 KM fuel economy it costs about $22 to go from Oshawa to Niagara falls.
 
Bordercollie said:
For one person in a car? So assuming you can fit 5 people is $4.40 which means driving is cheaper.
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True if the stress doesn't get to you fighting the traffic for about 3 hours each way. On top of that cost, you still have to paid to park somewhere as no free parking around legally these days unless you are staying overnight. At the same time, it not true if there is less than 4 in the car to the point of you being the only one.

How long of a trip is it using GO??

Even taking GO, you still have to pay for transit from the train station to the downtown and getting around. You are peg as to when you can go and come back with GO compare to a car you can jump in and go when you want to.

A lot of TTC network got built when TTC was making a profit that paid for it in the first place. Today, transit is a money pit with the goal of getting ppl out of their car.

If and went there is more equipment, you will have better options as to when to go and come back as well. Having EMU equipment will speed things up once the CN line is brought up for its speed.
 
Bordercollie said:
Considering that the design has basically stayed the same over 50 years tells you that it's well designed. Although they changed from rivets to welds that was because of an update in technology and welding is likely less labor intensive.

Also Crash Energy Management was a big advancement but the overall design is still the same. Why replace them with new ones if the ones we already have, are perfectly capable of doing the work?
LED head lights, new HVAC and the refurbishment of the trucks and boagies. I don't know if any structural changes were made to increase safety but I'm sure that if it took them that long some safety improvements were made to the cab area.
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The real issue is why are they "wasting" the new cab cars by turning them into passenger coaches?
 
turbanplanner said:
The real issue is why are they "wasting" the new cab cars by turning them into passenger coaches?
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Has that actually been confirmed? Considering the fact that they're reactivating cab cars for the expanded service that haven't run as such in more than half a decade, this would be an astonishingly short sighted decision.
 
Krypto98 said:
At 1.55 per liter, 206 km distance and let's say 7.0 L/100 KM fuel economy it costs about $22 to go from Oshawa to Niagara falls.
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That's just gas. About 10¢ to 11¢ a kilometre.

Last time I did a proper calculation or my taxes was about 15 years ago, and even then it was about 25¢ a kilometre (for a similar approximately 100 km drive). Lots of car maintenance when you drive that much 2-3 times a week. And a lot of capital cost allowance too.
 
Bordercollie said:
Is it possible to increase speed on the Uxbridge sub to make trip times shorter?
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I would really hope so. In areas where there has been track sitting at various stages of readiness, seemingly for years, it definitely seems that it could support an increase from the existing 40mph or 50mph zone. Maybe someone here knows if increases are planned?
 
206 has now arrived at Willowbrook.

Wonder how long it will take to get it into revenue service?
 
T3G said:
Has that actually been confirmed? Considering the fact that they're reactivating cab cars for the expanded service that haven't run as such in more than half a decade, this would be an astonishingly short sighted decision.
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So I spoke to someone at Metrolinx and was told 15 of the series 2 cars are being restored to cab cars, along with 9 of the series 7 being restored.

Seems I was wrong and none are being "wasted"
 
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