salsa
Senior Member
Why does it have to be a choice between one or the other? That you yourself happen to be a motorcycle owner is probably the real reason why you are annoyed at Tory's efforts on excessive noise.
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Why does it have to be a choice between one or the other? That you yourself happen to be a motorcycle owner is probably the real reason why you are annoyed at Tory's efforts on excessive noise.
Towered
Senior Member
Well the city was planning to house homeless people at a new shelter at the corner of Royal York and Eglinton in the middle of tony central Etobicoke, but a brief call from Thug to the spineless John Tory quickly nixed that.
Thorns_Embrace
Active Member
Has there been any place in the world that has solved the homeless issue?
SunriseChampion
Senior Member
Personally, I'd keep the graffiti, beggars, vagrants, alcoholics, crack heads, et al (graffiti doesn't fit in on this list, by the way) if we could be rid of loud exhausts.
Now that's a fu***** nuisance! Bloody hell. You're one of those folk, aint ya? Sorry, mate, I think you're cool and all, but hell no....there's no need for that ruckus.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
I just came back from Singapore. Not a homeless person, or any litter or infrastructure neglect to be seen. And no they don’t lock up the homeless, they just ensure everyone is housed by the government. But that will just invite some to tell us why Singapore is a bad example.
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JGHali
Active Member
There are poor people around in Sweden, but I don’t recall any “vagrants” or panhandlers in Stockholm or Gothenburg.
https://www.thelocal.se/20160115/whats-life-like-as-a-homeless-person-during-swedens-harsh-winter
Just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they aren't there. I do find that Toronto's homeless have become much more visible in recent years.
Just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they aren't there. I do find that Toronto's homeless have become much more visible in recent years.
JGHali
Active Member
Oh I didn't mean to say they're not present, but they are far far less visible.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
180 out of six million people after a five hour search? I’ll take those numbers.
And you can go to jail for a year for having chewing gum in Singapore so I can only imagine what happens if you are considered to be a vagrant there.
Videodrome
Senior Member
Singapore is indeed authoritarian. The quality of life is generally great, but personal freedoms are often limited. Plus, the same party has been in power with supermajorities since they became a country.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
Singapore is a city-state that broke away from Malaysia to become a sovereign nation by 1965. Maybe the successful mayor of Toronto should take notes.
JGHali
Active Member
Technically Malaysia kicked it out...
zang
Senior Member
It’s not an all-or-nothing thing (much like curing cancer isn’t). You mitigate the problems and put out as many fires as possible. Arguably, and ironically, the best (and cheapest) way is supplying permanent housing, minimum income and mental and physical health care for them. But then everyone else complains about how “hard (I) work!” and how no one should get something for free, ignoring the long-term costs are more expensive for everyone (police, anti-homeless street furniture, security, shelters, incarceration, mental health facilities, etc.).