Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

[MisterF]

LRVs accelerates slower than buses

Are you sure? I've seen figures of about 1 m/s/s for a transit bus, while Toronto's CLRVs can do 1.47 m/s/s. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Should at least grade separate the Martin Grove intersection.

 

[BurlOak]

Stephen Holyday just made me do one of the largest eye rolls i've done in a while, but needless to say i'm surprised Tory is actually taking a second look at this as the Crosstown West study was flawed in every imaginable way:

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...cond-look-at-tunnelled-eglinton-west-lrt.html

First criteria was that the mid-block stations had to be retained.
Then they looked at potential grade-separation.

Should have considered what the benefit would be to full grade-separation. The earlier study from 16 months ago found that full grade-separation had the best benefit-cost ratio - only one with a better ratio than 1.0.

 

[TransitBart]

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...it-options-despite-promised-improvements.html

Let’s get moving.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Safe to say the project is delayed by another year, at least?
Makes you wonder if this was all planed all along.

Of course, no one want to wear any unpopular decision before an election.

AoD

 

[crs1026]

Stephen Holyday just made me do one of the largest eye rolls i've done in a while, but needless to say i'm surprised Tory is actually taking a second look at this as the Crosstown West study was flawed in every imaginable way:

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...cond-look-at-tunnelled-eglinton-west-lrt.html

Does this have a date to go to Council? All I have found is the fairly non-technical documentation from the consultation.

I am wondering if any more technical analysis was done and if this suppoting documentation is going to see the public eye before the Council debate.

- Paul

 

[Amare]

First criteria was that the mid-block stations had to be retained.
Then they looked at potential grade-separation.

Should have considered what the benefit would be to full grade-separation. The earlier study from 16 months ago found that full grade-separation had the best benefit-cost ratio - only one with a better ratio than 1.0.

This is part of the reason why if given the choice between choosing the city or Metrolinx to build Crosstown West, I would've chosen Metrolinx despite their failings on dealing with the Eastern section of the Crosstown line and the station naming conventions.

Does this have a date to go to Council? All I have found is the fairly non-technical documentation from the consultation.

I am wondering if any more technical analysis was done and if this suppoting documentation is going to see the public eye before the Council debate.

- Paul

Reportedly council is set to vote on something next week regarding Crosstown West. What exactly they would be voting about, i'm not too sure.

 

[raptor]

This is part of the reason why if given the choice between choosing the city or Metrolinx to build Crosstown West, I would've chosen Metrolinx despite their failings on dealing with the Eastern section of the Crosstown line and the station naming conventions.


Reportedly council is set to vote on something next week regarding Crosstown West. What exactly they would be voting about, i'm not too sure.

Perhaps on the recommendations of the exec committee?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

This is part of the reason why if given the choice between choosing the city or Metrolinx to build Crosstown West, I would've chosen Metrolinx despite their failings on dealing with the Eastern section of the Crosstown line and the station naming conventions.

This would have to go though to Council for approval regardless.

And ML is in charge of building the Scarborough LRT (RT replacement)... we’ve seen how well that has gone

 

[syn]

Stephen Holyday just made me do one of the largest eye rolls i've done in a while, but needless to say i'm surprised Tory is actually taking a second look at this as the Crosstown West study was flawed in every imaginable way:

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...cond-look-at-tunnelled-eglinton-west-lrt.html

Of course they're taking another look. Why shouldn't they get underground transit too?

That's going to be heard a lot more often as we continue to build underground infrastructure where it's not necessary. Politically speaking, it's a winner for whomever decides that their residents should no longer be 'mistreated'.

 

[Amare]

This would have to go though to Council for approval regardless.

And ML is in charge of building the Scarborough LRT (RT replacement)... we’ve seen how well that has gone

The Scarborough LRT/subway or what have you is just in a league of it's own in terms of transit planning. The city and the province have screwed up that project so many times, the blame can be put on both parties equally.

 

[BurlOak]

The Scarborough LRT/subway or what have you is just in a league of it's own in terms of transit planning. The city and the province have screwed up that project so many times, the blame can be put on both parties equally.

The Liberal Party is the only constant. We have gone through 3 mayors so it is hard to blame the City politicians (although our weak mayor system and the fact that all Councillor's get re-elected, are a large part of the problem).

 

[Palma]

Even if grade separation isn't done, they need to stop putting LRTs in the median. It can be At-Grade but to one side of the roadway, separate from the road. Its a much better choice for an area like this.

Is that not what they have done on Cheery St or Sumach?

 

[MisterF]

The Liberal Party is the only constant. We have gone through 3 mayors so it is hard to blame the City politicians (although our weak mayor system and the fact that all Councillor's get re-elected, are a large part of the problem).

For anyone who wants a stronger mayor system I have an irrefutable rebuttal in only two words: Rob Ford.

 

[Jaye101]

The Liberal Party is the only constant. We have gone through 3 mayors so it is hard to blame the City politicians (although our weak mayor system and the fact that all Councillor's get re-elected, are a large part of the problem).

We can call it a weak mayor system all we want, but when Rob Ford decided to cancel LRT lines that the Province already spent over $150+ Million of our money studying, the Province respected that decision.

The Province should never have allowed the cancellation of so many projects where significant expenditures had already occurred. They should be able to build transit in unwilling municipalities if it serves regional interests. A good example of this is the Hurontario LRT and it's contested connection to Brampton GO station. This is a vital connection in the Western GTA that connects 3 heavy rail lines. The Province has the right to override Brampton Council's decision, but they chose not to.

If Doug Ford were to win in the next election, and if he were to propose cancelling all the David Miller LRT lines that John Tory resurrected, precedent shows that the Province would bow to the request.