Will Toronto benefit from the Quebec Charter of values fisaco?

[Admiral Beez]

Xenophobia still alive and well in Quebec. The future of Quebec is unemployed white people.

That’s wishful thinking. Quebec is a province, or nation of small to large, family owned businesses. Those businesses and those jobs will carry on. In Ontario so many of us work for subsidiaries of US firms, but in Quebec there are far more Quebecer owned employers. They’ll be fine.

Immigrants, anglophones will move to the GTA and the rest of Ontario…

Yes, that is the intent of the new legislation. Become us, or get out. That said, AIUI, immigrants who embrace French and ditch the religious garb of their countries of origin would be welcome.

 

[jje1000]

I personally have doubts these cases will go anywhere since their cases don't seem to be strong, but I always think it fascinating how Quebec French is defacto-considered the 'natural/supreme' language of Quebec (with the CAQ applying a salami-slicing tactic on other 'foreign' languages like English)- all while ignoring the fact that Quebeckers themselves are also colonists sharing indigenous lands- who are still playing to the dominant/dominated dynamic that has characterized modern native relationships in North America.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bill-96-indigenous-court-case-1.6817437

Likewise, the screws turn tighter on the religion side of things (IMO an inordinate amount of political energy has been wasted on this, which could have been used for something more 'useful' like extending Bill 101 to the CEGEPs):

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-bans-use-of-classrooms-as-prayer-spaces-1.6816424

And yes, there are people who literally police language on their own time which is how these laws actually are enforced:

MOLIERE - MTL

montrealenfrancais.wordpress.com

 

[gabe]

Quebec premier says he wants to stop people from praying in public​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/religion-in-schools-new-law-quebec-1.7403485

"Seeing people praying in the streets, in public parks, is not something we want in Quebec," Legault said.

 

[Northern Light]

Quebec premier says he wants to stop people from praying in public​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/religion-in-schools-new-law-quebec-1.7403485

"Seeing people praying in the streets, in public parks, is not something we want in Quebec," Legault said.

I think we need to take the above in context. It wasn't a statement out of thin air, it came in the context of an interview covering an issue/incident which has some folks in Quebec hot.

I would agree that the above is disconcerting. I understand Quebecer's concerns that such behavior is an affront to an avowed secularist society and school system.
Now, is it just about a handful of teachers/students and one school? In which case this would seem like a potential over-reaction or is there evidence of this behavior being a wider issue?

Regardless, I'm not sure legislation is required, beyond what's already in place. The behavior described could result in disciplinary action against both teachers and students.
One would think that would be sufficient correction.

Yes, Quebec can be a bit xenophobic at times..........but having teachers forbid girls taking part in sports is a real action that imparts real social consequence. A single, quiet (in your head) prayer at the back of a class, like many have said before
they write an exam they forgot to study for........... ought to be no big deal; but the co-opting of a public school classroom for religious proselytization is a real concern.

Should the above require or permit gross over-reach of the law and facilitate needless and damaging discrimination? No. But I get where the sentiment arises.

 

[just east of the creek]

I think we need to take the above in context. It wasn't a statement out of thin air, it came in the context of an interview covering an issue/incident which has some folks in Quebec hot.

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I would agree that the above is disconcerting. I understand Quebecer's concerns that such behavior is an affront to an avowed secularist society and school system.
Now, is it just about a handful of teachers/students and one school? In which case this would seem like a potential over-reaction or is there evidence of this behavior being a wider issue?

Regardless, I'm not sure legislation is required, beyond what's already in place. The behavior described could result in disciplinary action against both teachers and students.
One would think that would be sufficient correction.

Yes, Quebec can be a bit xenophobic at times..........but having teachers forbid girls taking part in sports is a real action that imparts real social consequence. A single, quiet (in your head) prayer at the back of a class, like many have said before
they write an exam they forgot to study for........... ought to be no big deal; but the co-opting of a public school classroom for religious proselytization is a real concern.

Should the above require or permit gross over-reach of the law and facilitate needless and damaging discrimination? No. But I get where the sentiment arises.

I am in QC again, in some of the outer townships and would offer this point. It would seem that the current Premier is in trouble politically, at least in terms of re-election potential. This is anecdotal, but the views seem to be widespread along the south shore that he is done. (For a variety of reasons) But, the above story is an attention grabber and a potential vote getter. The south shore seems to have very strong entrenched opinions about this subject and related discourse. A strong politically position, even some action, is a positive vote getter. And far from any of us to suggest that a more moderate response might be ditched in the needs of political expediency, but there you are. And it does follow with some of the previous actions of the currrent premier.

 

[Northern Light]

I am in QC again, in some of the outer townships and would offer this point. It would seem that the current Premier is in trouble politically, at least in terms of re-election potential. This is anecdotal, but the views seem to be widespread along the south shore that he is done. (For a variety of reasons) But, the above story is an attention grabber and a potential vote getter. The south shore seems to have very strong entrenched opinions about this subject and related discourse. A strong politically position, even some action, is a positive vote getter. And far from any of us to suggest that a more moderate response might be ditched in the needs of political expediency, but there you are. And it does follow with some of the previous actions of the currrent premier.

Agreed. The PQ is surging as his potential opponent.........so to be clear, the nationalist view is not the CAQ Premier's problem..........

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

Yeah, civil liberties where never Legault's strong suit. And to put that mildly...

...that said, I am sorely tempted go over there and spend a day "praying" even though I am pretty much an atheist. >.<