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Who will be the next Liberal leader?

The war on bigotry never ends. I know some people who think American Black's (this could apply to any minority group) overreact to certain issues or instances of things that can be construed in a racist way. I do agree sometimes...but it took them, as a group, so long to get where they are and it really wasn't that long ago that there were segregated schools, etc.

Dilligence is essential.
 
In one way or another everyone eventually falls into a "minority group" of some sort. Be it bigotry, ignorance or poor information, silence does nothing except maintain the status quo.
 
Listen, I don't oppose the issue. The whole problem is the way threads like this become akin to a homosexual-male-aesthete version of Babble or Free Dominion message-board narcissism. It is *depressing*, and it is--I repeat--***as oppressive a closed world as any Stephen Harper bogeyman-Alberta-utopia imaginable.***

I'm all for open-ended, egalitarian omnipolypansexual gay-positivity; but sometimes I wonder if you're fearing "open-ended" and "egalitarian" is a slippery slope to "libertarian", i.e. a euphemism for "same rights for homophobes as for homophiles". Or even if you're less fearful of homophobia per se, than of some kind of pur laine homo-culture being threatened with dilution...
 
You find opposition to bigotry depressing? Perhaps we could bring in the Klan to cheer you up?
 
I'm all for open-ended, egalitarian omnipolypansexual gay-positivity; but sometimes I wonder if you're fearing "open-ended" and "egalitarian" is a slippery slope to "libertarian", i.e. a euphemism for "same rights for homophobes as for homophiles". Or even if you're less fearful of homophobia per se, than of some kind of pur laine homo-culture being threatened with dilution...
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How would equality in SSM come to equal libertarianism and equal rights for homophobes? How would an anti-bigotry stance come to promote the protection of bigotry and homophobia? Your tortured phrasing is obscuring your intended (?) meaning.

I think that you think that when anyone presses for a right that somehow you are feeling it as a potential restriction or imposition on thought or speech (that is my impression derived from your post). Granted, you may not enjoy that restriction of expression while holding no negative opinion (in your opinion), but at the same time there are still considerable numbers of individuals who may dislike the social restrictions of curtailing their opinion and still feel the need to express it in public or physically.

As I noted earlier, same sex rights are relatively new. Recognition of same sex rights are by no means universally recognized, nor universally accepted, even where such rights are recognized (hence the debate about SSM). The issue is not so much about the debates over rights, or a specific political stance, or the details of ideological and religious differences, the issue is about human beings and the right to exist as they are. Thus, it is not a debate about "them," it is a debate about all of us.
 
Well, let me put it this way. Generically speaking, I don't find opposition to bigotry depressing. But just because I find many of Al Sharpton's tactics counterproductive doesn't mean I'm condoning the KKK.

And yes, this is a bit of a personal critique (although hopefully flexible enough that it can be taken sympathetically). Hate to say it, but AP and BB come across as "ghetto fags", in demeanour, in world view, etc. (Thus my "pur laine" point.) And I think a lot of the so-called discrimination against them may not be re their homosexuality, but *the actual form it takes in their person*.

Keep in mind that a great number of gay-rights advances over the past generation or more have comprised of "breaking the ghetto". But the assimilation process has also been a bit of a dilution process; or at least, in what the non-gay realm's prepared to deal with. So, just as a Barack Obama has more "crossover appeal" than Al Sharpton, the, er, flamboyant sissy remains stigmatized, even when homosexuality and gay rights are generically, politically-correctly accepted.

Being fundamentally closed, inbred worlds--even when having a fascinating "inside looking out" perspective--ghettos are tough places to cross over from. And conversely, being in a ghetto can cramp and de-empathize one's perspective of the non-ghetto world, except in a "hostile other" way. (It's also why I referred to Babble and Free Dominion: "left" and "right" political ghettos respectively.)

And I sense that cramping when AP tosses his "bigot" epithets around--I feel the pain; but some of it may be inadvertently self-inflicted flailing on AP's part.

So, take that as a warning. The healthiest homoculture isn't monoculture...
 
I don't think that someone who calls people fags is in any position to opine on homoculture, or any other culture for that matter.
 
You wouldn't be saying that if I weren't queer;-)

(Or then again, maybe you would. Which is your whole problem; as gays/fags/homos/poofters/limpwrists etc go, you're as miserable as Stephen Harper. Harper's the sort of miserable prick I'd like to see gangraped by a bunch of Tom Of Finland hunks until he's babbling and incontinent. AP's the sort of miserable prick I'd like to see gangraped by a bunch of Russ Meyer babes until he's babbling and incontinent. etc. etc.)
 
Is there any slur and threat of violence that you won't use?
 
adma should do standup at the Laugh Factory.

In fact, having met him once, I'm struck by how much he looks like Michael Richards.

Hmmmm ... Come to think of it, the two of them have never actually been seen together ...
 
What would Adma/Richards do?

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Or then again, maybe you would. Which is your whole problem; as gays/fags/homos/poofters/limpwrists etc go, you're as miserable as Stephen Harper. Harper's the sort of miserable prick I'd like to see gangraped by a bunch of Tom Of Finland hunks until he's babbling and incontinent. AP's the sort of miserable prick I'd like to see gangraped by a bunch of Russ Meyer babes until he's babbling and incontinent. etc. etc.
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This type of personal attack really undermines you.
 
Under the circumstances, so what. Let's see you do better;-)

But really, as goes "bigotry", let's put it this way. As a feminist, I wouldn't get hyperactive over Howard Stern. As a No-Logo adherent, I wouldn't suggest the barbarism of removing Boston's Citgo sign. As a believer in racial equality, I wouldn't suggest banishing all copies of Little Black Sambo or editing out all blackface gags in 40s cartoons, speaking of which...

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A true cartoon masterpiece. Really. And not really that "racist", either--it's too transcendently reverent, never mind irreverent, for that. It practically folds the "racist" trappings against themselves.

It doesn't mean we should view it uncritically, or detatched from all socio-political context--we see it with different eyes from 60 years ago, or even 30 years ago. But to suggest it be banished from public view altogether, or even that we ought to be paralyzed by guilt and take a decontaminating shower after viewing it, is the kind of lunkheaded zealotry that, yes, I *would* like to see liquidated.

If my appreciation of CB+TSD makes me a "bigot"; well, if so, I'd rather be a "bigot" than a zealot...
 
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