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Waterfront: General Topics

If we indulge Doug Ford, would his proposal be suitable for Ontario Place / Exhibition grounds only?

Construct a monorail to move people around the two venues, but not connected to the TTC. We don't need yet another barrier to the lake. Have surface LRT to move people to the new Ontario Place.

Build high end retail mall and restaurants to complement the music venues. Not necessarily an indoor shopping mall, but mall in the pedestrian street type sense.

Build a hotel (and maybe a permanent casino).

Have a permanent midway or amusement park with ferris wheel and maybe a roller coaster.

Good idea or Bad idea?
 
But that's the thing, Tulse. Ford is tryinig to leverage something, anything, to bring in private developers with big dollars. Sheppard didn't work, so he looked at other tempting targets. I don't understand why he hasn't tried to monetize High Park yet.

Oh, he will. Remember the KPMG report suggested closing the High Park zoo. I bet Ford will get some corporation to take it over and charge a $5 entry fee.
 
Oh, he will. Remember the KPMG report suggested closing the High Park zoo. I bet Ford will get some corporation to take it over and charge a $5 entry fee.
Given how sad and oddly located the High Park "zoo" is, I don't know that that would be a bad thing.
 
This is what would become of Ford's "vision" a decade down the road:


Within 10 years the monorail will need extensive repair and having been built to unique specifications will cost a fortune to repair or an obscure part-maker will have gone belly-up leaving the track to do nothing but rust. Council spends the next 40 years arguing about what to do with the land that that was expropriated to make way for the then rusted-out monorail tracks.

The mall, long avoided by drivers and having had inconvenient and infrequent bus service has trouble attracting any tenants other than third-rate stores and Service Canada or Service Ontario offices that now lease prime retail space because they were able to get it for next to nothing.

The hotel has changed ownership several times and has never made anyone a profit. It competes with the cheap no-tell motels that used to line Lakeshore and still dot Kingston Road. A report commissioned by the city recommends that the hotel be dynamited and become an artificial coral reef in Lake Ontario.

Nobody has any compelling reason to be near anything by the big ferris wheel, it becomes Fantasy Fair number two.
 
^ pretty good summation, uptown.

I am aghast at what I am reading with respect to Doug Ford's waterfront dreams. I sure hope City Council is functional and ready to oppose his idiotic ideas.
 
The more I think about this proposal the more Atlantic City comes to mind. It's not something we should try to emulate.

If Doug has been there, I bet he went on the boardwalk for two minutes and thought "this is great!". Then he got tired of walking and went back to the Slingo Mystery Bonus Slot machine at the Taj, completely oblivious to the disaster that is every other inch of the city.

Also anyone proposing a mega-mall should read up on the Xanadu complex, also in Jersey, and see how that's going. (HINT: half done and begging for a governement bailout)
 
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Did anyone hear Doug say "there's nowhere to shop downtown except the Eaton Centre" on the radio this morning? He can't be this dumb. I mean, that is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard any elected official say about Toronto. He has to be trolling.
 
This is in the September Downtown Bulletin community newspaper. For the Bulletin it's remarkably sensible! Of course, Mr Harvor is not a regular Bulletin reporter!

Act now to save our waterfront from the Fords

A major threat as the Ford brothers try to undo planning for the waterfront and put a giant shopping mall there, among other atrocities

By Stig Harvor

Do we really want a large shopping mall and the world’s largest Ferris wheel on our unique and valuable waterfront? This is what we will get if we follow the intentions of our Mayor Rob Ford, and his mouth, his older brother and suburban city councillor Doug Ford.

They want to sell city-owned land south of the present Keating Channel of the Don River as it empties into the harbour. Out the window will be thrown existing, well-studied and forward-looking Waterfront Toronto plans for the Port Lands, carefully crafted with public input through a maze of governmental approvals at a cost of millions.

(See these plans on the website www.waterfrontoronto.ca/explore_projects2/lower_don_lands)

This type of unwarranted political interference in a complex, on-going public process involving three levels of government, is not new. In 2004, the then federal Liberal MP of Toronto-Danforth, Dennis Mills, suggested a casino and other unwelcome facilities on the Port Lands. He had suddenly been appointed advisor to then Prime Minister Paul Martin shortly before an election to counteract the popularity of his opponent, Jack Layton.

Mills failed both with his plans and his election. In the case today of Rob and Doug Ford, however, we are not so fortunate. They will remain in power for another three years.

The Ford brothers want their closed administration, not the public-minded, innovative Waterfront Toronto organization, to be in charge of city-owned land development. They want this to be done through an existing city agency, the Toronto Port Lands Company (TPLC). To that end, they want to fully reorganize and expand the powers of the TPLC so it will do their bidding. Their blatant aim is to privatize city property.

The Ford administration claims private interests can develop land more efficiently and quickly than public authorities. But what type of development and how quickly? Let us remember that the mighty Ontario Municipal Board some years ago, after a drawn-out hearing, decided against a proposed Home Depot superstore on waterfront land. Also more time-consuming and expensive environmental assessments of the Ford plans will delay action.

Waterfront Toronto’s existing plans for the mouth of the Don River is a renaturalized, divided estuary providing parkland and cleansing of the water of the Don. The wide dispersal of the river waters provides the necessary flood protection for the entire Port Lands.

The Ford brothers’ plan, however, must keep a single, narrow, polluted channel in order to consolidate a large plot of land for their shopping mall with parking and other features of their suburban vision. Their plan requires expensive flood protection measures. Like their ill-conceived and so far unsuccessful proposal to build a new city subway with private money, they want private developers to pay the high costs of flood protection and infrastructure. In return, the developers will of course want the valuable city land virtually for free.

The Ford brothers revealed their intentions in a just-released city hall memo on Aug. 26. They are now rushing their ideas to their powerful Executive Committee for full council debate less than three weeks later. No public input is provided. The exercise is a raw attempt to push through a plan to derail all previous and valuable work of Waterfront Toronto for city land on the Port Lands. Today’s actions on the waterfront will be with us for at least a century. Let us get it right.You can contact the mayor and all city councillors automatically in one go on this issue by emailing your comments to clerk@toronto.ca and ask your message be forwarded to all of them. And you can make a deputation to the Executive Committee Sept. 6 by following instructions on the city website www.toronto.ca.
 
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The Ford's dream won't come true. How can they do anything when Waterfront Toronto is funded by all three levels of government? I'm sure Flaherty will stop them. And by Flaherty I mean Count Floyd.
 
The Ford's dream won't come true. How can they do anything when Waterfront Toronto is funded by all three levels of government? I'm sure Flaherty will stop them. And by Flaherty I mean Count Floyd.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1046685

Now, it all depends on Flaherty nudging them to a less harmful solution. He just can't plainly go oppose them on this- ideology trumps logic!
 
Did anyone hear Doug say "there's nowhere to shop downtown except the Eaton Centre" on the radio this morning? He can't be this dumb. I mean, that is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard any elected official say about Toronto. He has to be trolling.

It's clear Doug Ford really doesn't know Toronto at all. If he got out of his SUV and walked around the downtown once in a while, the guy might learn something. Have Doug or Rob ever walked around the city? I would not be surprised to learn that they never have, not even a single time.

Doug Ford keeps telling us that we should be more like Chicago but do you see any megga-malls on the Chicago waterfront? Of course not! They have the amusement Pier with a Ferris wheel but it's in a tourist pier, not a shopping mall. The CN Tower functions as our Ferris wheel, for viewing the city. We do not need another viewing attraction but if we did build one, the central waterfront (Harbourfront) is the place for it, not the Portlands, that has no major attractions, skyscrapers or monumental buildings. Who would want to view the Portlands/Leslieville area on a Ferris Wheel? There is noting there worth paying to see.

How the hell can you take a plan, that's been worked on by experts, for years, then change it on a whim, without any planning process? The Fords just think they have the right to impose anything they want on us. Who the hell are these guys, kings? It's insane! The Fords are taking this city in the wrong direction and somebody needs to stop these guys.

If Miller did something stupid like this, I'd be just as upset and even more surprised but Miller had common sense. Aren't the Fords already getting a similar type mall, in Woodbine Live? That's not good enough for them? Do they also want to turn The Portlands into a suburban shopping zone?
 
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Dubai has risen from a small city to a world class city in just ten years.

All right, what's more of an emblem of positive urban health; nay, urban poetry: this

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or this

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Now, that's the metaphorical equivalent of an aluminum baseball bat shattering StCatharinesCitizen's idiot-dumb-yokel-urbanist skull. His idea of desirable urbanity is like this idea of desirable femininity

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