robmausser
Senior Member
Tack-on orders are a thing, and are quicker and cheaper than starting a new contract.
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VIA Rail
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cplchanb
Senior Member
Once again not enough foresight
crs1026
Superstar
If the intent is to
If the intent is to restore service as a through train to Montreal, the Venture would be a terrible choice… no overnight amenities..
If it comes back as a connecting train that meets the Ocean for across the platform at Matapedia, the Venture would be a terrible choice…. No maintenance base.
I imagine it will return as a long distance train, using the LDS fleet
- Paul
If the intent is to restore service as a through train to Montreal, the Venture would be a terrible choice… no overnight amenities..
If it comes back as a connecting train that meets the Ocean for across the platform at Matapedia, the Venture would be a terrible choice…. No maintenance base.
I imagine it will return as a long distance train, using the LDS fleet
- Paul
cplchanb
Senior Member
They had slots for option sets. They could've exercised those options and at least get a few trains. They could easily develop overnight amenities in relatively short order. Now not only do we have to rebid but also rebid at 2024 prices which is guaranteed much more expensive per set.
Sounds like a bit of oversight here
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Is there a place to run around the train? They could use two locomotives and run them back to back like the ocean. Or one locomotive on each end of the train.
roger1818
Senior Member
If developing overnight amenities (like baggage car, dining car and sleeper) could be done quickly and easily, ONR would have done it for the Northlander trains. I would love to see the LD fleet order use modified venture coaches for trains out of MMC, but that would require significant design work.
crs1026
Superstar
Qualifying a design for long distance service that has never been qualified before? For one route that demands perhaps two trainsets? Not gonna happen.
It all sounds easy until one understands all the standards and regs that have to be met. Not a proposition for a couple of guys with a pickup truck and the contractor’s discount at Home Depot.
- Paul
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Aren’t those the sets that broke down for ten hours between Montreal and Quebec? Imagine a similar breakdown but in February between Gaspe and Rimouski.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
How do you know that they chose not to?
innsertnamehere
Superstar
woohoo! finally.
Mr.Tang
Active Member
I hate to say - but the clock is really ticking on the Liberals. They may not get much accomplished on this file before an election - and then a massive expenditure focused on central Canada with some "greening the economy" underpinnings just does not seem like an election winner for the Conservatives. The question is whether it would win more seats for them in the suburbs of Toronto? I am not sure it does. I hope I'm wrong.
roger1818
Senior Member
There is decent evidence that they aren't. For example:
- ONR's website says, "The trainsets each include one locomotive and three passenger cars." There is no mention of baggage or dining cars, and while a sleeper could be considered a "passenger car" typically that term typically refers to coaches.
- The press release on Siemen's website says the fleet will include, "galley style food services," which is further evidence that there aren't going to be any dining cars. However, there isn't any mention of Sleeping or baggage facilities, which I am sure they would brag about if there were to be any.
- ONR's website says, "By 2041, annual ridership is currently estimated to be between approximately 40,000 and 60,000." Assuming the upper number and trains 7 days a week, that works out to an average of 82 passengers per day per direction (PPDPD). To accommodate peaks in demand, they would want more capacity than that. A 3 car VIA Venture trainset was expected to have 176 seats, which is about double the average PPDPD. Switching coaches for sleepers would significantly reduce the number of "seats."
evandyk
Senior Member
I think a recent lesson is that people love promises of "greening" but refuse to consider that their personal way of life (in terms of where they live, what they drive, how much they drive, etc.) may need to change to drive any "greening". A train is probably quite an attractive proposal since it feels very green but doesn't make anyone feel uncomfortable about living in Milton and driving to Toronto for work in giant SUV.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Do you notice how most regular cars are no longer carburated V8s?
Do you notice how most homes are no longer heated with wood or coal?
Do you notice how we no longer throw everything into one bin when we are done with it?
Do you notice how hard it is to buy an incandescent light bulb?
Did you know that in the 1990, you could only lease electric cars, but they never caught on?
You are never going to get there if you don't start somewhere. There is a difference between overtly forcing people, and it is something we get used to.