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Union Station: Northwest PATH Expansion

I noticed the sign going into BCE Place said Brookfield Place. Is this new? I always thought it was BCE Place. BTW walking down from Eaton Centre (is it still called that?) there must have been just as many juice bars as Starbucks.
 
BCE didn't renew their naming rights for the complex, so Brookfield decided to name the complex after themselves. This change happened mid last year.

Everyone (for the time being) still calls it BCE Place though.
 
I enjoyed taking the time to re-familiarize myself with the area. It serves a very useful purpose but I don't see how the City can lure tourists down there when there's so many more places and events to see and experience in the city.

I agree. For tourism promotion to make real sense down there you need to cater more to tourists down there. To do that the City and the various owners should sit down together and hammer out a fairly direct route between the Eaton Centre and Union Station to remake over the coming years. That route would need two things - 1) an obvious architectural signature of grand gestures (for example two-floor high sections whenever possible) that can be quickly identified as one passes through various complexes (theme with variations) so that people know they are walking the main route, direct route, and 2) a mix of retailers that would be able to stay afloat beyond the 9 to 5.

Because the PATH system is seen as confusing despite the directional signage developed for it, if they want anyone in it other than office workers and intrepid urban troglodyte adventurers, the next step has to be to identify a simple route through it for the largest number of pedestrians. If architectural changes to the north-south mainline works to bring more people down, then build on the success with an east-west mainline.

The kind of change I am proposing would take a decade to implement, but something like this could gradually come together if enough building owners believe they would benefit financially beyond the large outlay required to bring it about.

As I have proposed before, to get something like this going I would start by gutting the east end of the Bay Queen Street store on the basement, ground, and first floors. Find some original architectural detailing, clean it up, and incorporate those details in an airy space that would incorporate some new stores on the east side of a walkway that would connect through the building from the Eaton Centre tunnel and bridge to the Bay-Adelaide Centre. On the west side of the walkway would be new entrances to a smaller Bay store. (Haven't they been talking about downsizing it somewhat?)

In the BAC you would find the next section of the mainline. As only the west tower is under construction currently, one would assume that there is a little more room to play with how the PATH is built-out through here. (Not that I think they haven't got a plan already - I'm just willing it's not as grand as my vision suggests it should be.)

Moving south next to the Scotia Plaza, one finds another complex where some thought has to be given to how to make that section more inviting and impressive for casual pedestrians (and potential customers)...

...and so on.

Maybe it's all too much to ask for, as what I am proposing will be quite expensive. Without that kind of investment though, I don't think there's much to promote.

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Aren't the PATH areas confusing on purpose. Don't the building owners want to keep people in their own retail areas to make more money? Kind of like casinos turning their backs to the street to keep the gamblers inside.
 
It's that kind of thinking that will have to change if they want to attract more people down there in the first place. Casual visitors to the city often don't go down there because they are afraid of becoming lost. People need to see it as a fast way of getting somewhere, and a comfortable way too.

You have to get them in there first before you can sell to them.

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I like your vision, interchange42, but I don't think the PATH owners are that enlightened. Maybe if the city could somehow force them to improve things in that way, so we have a direct & beautiful main strip from Union to Eaton Centre with actually interesting retail, then the PATH would become more of a destination. Would be pretty awesome if that could happen.
 
i love taking my friends into the PATH. they always wonder how i get around that place, with all those twists and turns around stores and food courts.

my only words of advice is to actually take an hour or two and walk around the system to familiarize yourself with it.

This is not a good thing!

Your suggestion is super for people who live or work down there, who might expect to have to use it all the time. But it's criminal how poorly marked and mapped it is. Oh there are marks and there are maps - but they utterly and completely FAIL to efficiently direct a person to where they want to go.

Has anyone seen how the London Underground maps evolved over the past 100 years, until they reached a form that is so useful, easily understood by all, and so simple that the style is now copied by every single subway system in the world?

Yeah - the PATH mapping people need to get out of their cubicles and go find a better mapping/directions system that works right from the get go. There are thousands of other cities and mapped buildings/complexes in the world, surely someone has already discovered a better way.

I'm a damn smart person with an excellent sense of direction, and once a year when I end up in the PATH, looking hard at the maps trying to make my way to a location close to the above ground location I'm headed to, I FAIL. Oh I get there eventually. But it's painful, slow, and has lots of wrong turns. That would not happen if the maps were useful.

The main problem with the map is that (and I want to scream this)... they are all missing "you are here" stickers. Oh there's text that says "you are here", but the icon beside it and the icon on the map itself - are totally missing.

Furthermore and just as important, the shapes of the buildings we are under are absolutely useless in helping us figure out where we are and most importantly where the actual next turn is. We're trying to follow the green lines right? There's no way in heck from the map to figure out where the green-line-corner you next need to turn at - which of the ten corners you pass is actually the one you want. For ever intersection of green lines on the map, there are ten underground intersections that lead off into 9 dead ends.

They'd improve things a lot if they flat out pained the green lines on the floor to follow! "AHA! Here's the REAL intersection from the map I've been looking for! And there's exactly which branch to take!"

I should say - I am impressed by and I do like the fact that they've got color coded "North/South/East/West" markers. But it seems like that's the only thing done right. (Anyone know of a simple/mnemonic system of remembering which color is which direction?)

I should write a letter.... instead of ranting pointlessly on a forum :D

grey said:
Anyone with an IQ higher than that of mustard can navigate the system.

Baloney!! All of the retail shops and other things create a maze within the maze that hide "the one path" that's supposedly represented on the maps. It's totally unusable by a first time user - not unless they have LITERALLY 3 times the amount of time available to make it to their destination as they would require to walk aboveground.

If I'm in a hurry, winter or not, no way in hell will I go down into the path unless it's a specific route I've taken before and remember. It's unusable to get somewhere more than a block away in a timely manner unless you've walked that specific route once before.
 
(Anyone know of a simple/mnemonic system of remembering which color is which direction?)

I remember that blue is North because North is where it gets colder, and blue is cold. It's stupid, but it's always worked for me. And once I get North I can get all the others.
 
To do that the City and the various owners should sit down together and hammer out a fairly direct route between the Eaton Centre and Union Station to remake over the coming years.

One of the most direct routes is the YUS subway line. Perhaps the TTC could do something to help, like making the stretch of subway between Dundas and Union a Free Fare zone (like in Buffalo).

Speaking of the TTC, the subway stations are the most important components of the PATH as they take people in and out of the system, but they are also the most neglected part of the PATH. For a start, PATH signage should appear in stations that are part of the system.
 
Hey Canrocks,

Are you saying you're one of guys behind that vid? If so, kudos! I really enjoyed it when I saw it weeks ago. I've spotted some of the "You Are Here" stickers when I've been in the PATH.
 
One of the most direct routes is the YUS subway line. Perhaps the TTC could do something to help, like making the stretch of subway between Dundas and Union a Free Fare zone (like in Buffalo).

Speaking of the TTC, the subway stations are the most important components of the PATH as they take people in and out of the system, but they are also the most neglected part of the PATH. For a start, PATH signage should appear in stations that are part of the system.

But unlike the system in Buffalo, Toronto doesn't run on tickets. A free-fare zone at a few stations means people will be able to jump on and take it wherever they want. Sounds nice, but is implausible with our current system.
 
Even if a system were in place, that would be a lot of revenue lost. Perhaps visitors from out of town with plane tickets or car rental documents could get a discounted or free fare.
 
And besides, while the subway may serve PATH, it's hardly central to its existence the way Montreal's Metro is...basically, the stations are utilitarian affairs that only incidentally serve PATH; probably because they pretty well precede PATH. (Whereas by the time the Metro was built, things like Place Ville Marie were already in place.)
 

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