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U.S. Elections 2008
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cacruden
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Yes, if I had to pick one Democrate it would be Joe Biden. He has been around a while and has experience in foreign affairs -- and seems to be able to work with moderate Republicans -- thus has a better chance of working towards a concensus. Don't really like Hillary Clinton (too many terrorist from Canada comments 
), Barack seems interesting, but lacks experience. I don't trust Edwards at all.
), Barack seems interesting, but lacks experience. I don't trust Edwards at all.
Admiral Beez
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I wouldn't worry about that. BTW, you drop, not launch a bomb.
AndreaPalladio
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And if there were, in fact, a button, someone would have set a cup of coffee down on it years ago.
Admiral Beez
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Don't worry either about women and control over nuclear weapons. Margaret Thatcher controlled one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world. Israel's Golda Meir held back her (still undeclared) nuclear weaponry during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, eventhough the country was almost overrun by Arab invaders. India's PM Indira Gandhi also managed restraint with her country's nuclear weapons when at war with Pakistan and (undeclared) with China. Pakistan's PM Benazir Bhutto also managed to keep their nuclear weapons at bay during the conflicts with India.
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The current president would be too likely to press "the button" face-first after a terrifying encounter with a pretzel.
AndreaPalladio
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He's likely unable to pronounce "button" in any event.
dt_toronto_geek
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Touch screen voting machines are not so democratic in my opinion. See HBO's "Hacking Democracy", it's a stunning indictment on the USA's voting system.
cacruden
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Most of the current crop of voting machines are crap, and should never be used. If a machine is used, there should be one that reads paper (human readable form) and counts the ballots -- basically if warranted and under rules set down -- can be recounted.
If a machine is used to enter the results, it should generate a human readable form which is then inserted into another machine for counting -- everything has to have an audit trail.
Only complete recounts should be done if a recount is warranted, cherry picking favourable areas to recount is undemocratic in nature. But again all rules should be set out in advance -- not made up on the fly.
Presidential elections are especially troublesome to recount since you have to recount an entire state, since it is the entire state that is unitized (assigned seats for the electoral college voting) -- it should only be recounted in it's entirety. OR, my preferred solution would be to make the assignment of seats on a riding basis -- with one electoral vote per riding. This would allow an easier recounting system.
California has proposed moving to such a system, but Democrats are dead-set against that type of system because under the current system very populated states such as California go 100% democratic -- instead of 60/40 democratic. Which means that partisan politics works as usual, you only really like democracy when it favours your candidate (in most cases).
If a machine is used to enter the results, it should generate a human readable form which is then inserted into another machine for counting -- everything has to have an audit trail.
Only complete recounts should be done if a recount is warranted, cherry picking favourable areas to recount is undemocratic in nature. But again all rules should be set out in advance -- not made up on the fly.
Presidential elections are especially troublesome to recount since you have to recount an entire state, since it is the entire state that is unitized (assigned seats for the electoral college voting) -- it should only be recounted in it's entirety. OR, my preferred solution would be to make the assignment of seats on a riding basis -- with one electoral vote per riding. This would allow an easier recounting system.
California has proposed moving to such a system, but Democrats are dead-set against that type of system because under the current system very populated states such as California go 100% democratic -- instead of 60/40 democratic. Which means that partisan politics works as usual, you only really like democracy when it favours your candidate (in most cases).
Redroom Studios
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no matter who it is , nothings going to change... war is always good for business after all. Anyone remember this revised map of North America after the last election?
adma
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Anyone worried that we might see Mike Huckabee as the winner in a Huckabee-Obama race?
Ooooh, if you think the U. S. of A. couldn't sink any lower, it does...
Ooooh, if you think the U. S. of A. couldn't sink any lower, it does...
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King of Kensington
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no matter who it is , nothings going to change... war is always good for business after all. Anyone remember this revised map of North America after the last election?
I think the Tories outpolled the combined Liberal-NDP vote in Sask. last time.
Is someone going to write a book called "What's the Matter with Saskatchewan"?
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I suspect this won't help McCain that much.
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Former Democrat Lieberman Endorses Republican McCain for President
By VOA News
17 December 2007
Independent Senator and former Democratic vice-presidential nominee Joseph Lieberman is endorsing Republican Senator John McCain's presidential bid.
Lieberman said his support for the Arizona Senator is based on McCain's military career and legislative experience and their common view of U.S. foreign policy.
Both men backed the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 and have supported the war ever since.
Lieberman was former Vice President Al Gore's running mate in the 2000 presidential election. In the years since, the Connecticut senator distanced himself from the Democratic Party over the war in Iraq and became an independent, frequently voting with Republicans on foreign policy and national security issues.
The U.S. presidential campaign primary season is entering its final stage in the coming weeks, when voters in the states of Iowa and New Hampshire vote in early January for the candidates who will represent the Democratic and Republican parties in the November 2008 election.
Some information for this report was provided by AP.
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Former Democrat Lieberman Endorses Republican McCain for President
By VOA News
17 December 2007
Independent Senator and former Democratic vice-presidential nominee Joseph Lieberman is endorsing Republican Senator John McCain's presidential bid.
Lieberman said his support for the Arizona Senator is based on McCain's military career and legislative experience and their common view of U.S. foreign policy.
Both men backed the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 and have supported the war ever since.
Lieberman was former Vice President Al Gore's running mate in the 2000 presidential election. In the years since, the Connecticut senator distanced himself from the Democratic Party over the war in Iraq and became an independent, frequently voting with Republicans on foreign policy and national security issues.
The U.S. presidential campaign primary season is entering its final stage in the coming weeks, when voters in the states of Iowa and New Hampshire vote in early January for the candidates who will represent the Democratic and Republican parties in the November 2008 election.
Some information for this report was provided by AP.