AlvinofDiaspar
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TTC to Proceed with Drug Testing
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doady
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I never read any study. I just don't like it when I am on a bus and the driver is talking incessantly on a cell phone and not paying attention to the road and to all the other duties that a bus driver has. Driving a bus is not easy. It is bad enough when a motorist talks on the cell phone, let alone a bus driver who is directly responsible for the safety of dozens of passengers. Even an empty bus crashing is likely to cause more damage or loss of life than a typical consumer vehicle.
scarberiankhatru
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I was on a TTC bus once and the driver was chatting with a guy sitting in the first seat, leaning around half the time, too. Some guy at the back of the bus told the driver to keep his eyes on the road, the driver refused and his friend started laughing, so the guy asked again to stop talking - throwing in like one swear word - after which the driver flipped out, pulled over, called his boss, and had the cops come and remove the guy 15 minutes later. The driver was not watching the road at all and could easily have driven the bus straight into a truck or through a red light, but the guy that was dragged off by the cops was deemed to be the problem because he told the driver to "do his fuckin' job." I got off and took the next bus as there's no way I was going to sit on that deathtrap for another 20+ minutes.
AlvinofDiaspar
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Perhaps someone should set up a youtube channel just for showcasing misbehaving TTC employees.
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carewser
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I don't think that drugs are nearly the problem that unions are. These guys can do practically anything they want and get away with it, all because they are in a union. At what other job can you get caught smoking weed at work and still get your job back. Tony Almeida was clearly a drug addict and should not have been a driver for the TTC, even if he wasn't at fault in this accident.
I agree that we should have mouth swab drug testing in this country for jobs like transit drivers, cops, doctors, nurses, firemen........maybe even cab drivers, but if we do that, you can forget about most of the white guys driving cab anymore!
Scarberian, did you complain to the TTC about that driver? It sounds like you should have. The reason that guy was removed from the bus was because he swore and transit obviously considers strict language rules more important than the safety of the general public, and who can argue with that?
That's just unbelievable and further proof of my original point about unions.
I agree that we should have mouth swab drug testing in this country for jobs like transit drivers, cops, doctors, nurses, firemen........maybe even cab drivers, but if we do that, you can forget about most of the white guys driving cab anymore!
Scarberian, did you complain to the TTC about that driver? It sounds like you should have. The reason that guy was removed from the bus was because he swore and transit obviously considers strict language rules more important than the safety of the general public, and who can argue with that?
That's just unbelievable and further proof of my original point about unions.Panzerfaust
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My mom works for DARTS, in Hamilton. One of her co-workers stole a bus and drove out to Grimsby to buy weed. She was caught. She still has her job because the union raised hell. Another guy (a dispatcher) was caught smoking crack in their parking lot. Once again, he got his job back at the behest of the union. This was the same guy who came into work drunk, then wandered out back and fell asleep on a picnic table while leaving the mic unattended for an hour.
For the love of god, if you live in Hamilton, never entrust your elderly or disabled relatives to DARTS. I could write a book about the crazy shit that goes on there, 95% of it unrelated to drugs. The drivers are seriously untouchable, as is anyone else who works for them.
Hold up there. Where does it say anything in that article about the frequency he did drugs? If you're going to define "drug addict" as "anyone who does drugs", it's kinda hard to take your opinion seriously.
Cops, yes. A police officer doing drugs is just hilariously hypocritical and you can piss test them to death for all I care. The rest of them, my opinion is the same as my opinion regarding TTC drivers: if you're suspicious, mouth swab them. If they turn out to be high on the job, they deserve what's coming to them. It's people like them who aid the war on drugs because then you can say "Well look at that doctor who nearly killed a guy because he was about to go into surgery while high! Forget all the responsible drug users, let's point the finger at this guy and make it out to be the norm."
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carewser
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I never said "anyone that does drugs" is a drug addict so don't put words in my mouth Panzerfaust.
I've known a lot of people who smoke weed but most of them don't do it at work, let alone getting caught twice doing it at work. Sure sounds like a drug addict to me.
I've known a lot of people who smoke weed but most of them don't do it at work, let alone getting caught twice doing it at work. Sure sounds like a drug addict to me.
scarberiankhatru
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Scarberian, did you complain to the TTC about that driver? It sounds like you should have. The reason that guy was removed from the bus was because he swore and transit obviously considers strict language rules more important than the safety of the general public, and who can argue with that?
When I said the swearing guy was "deemed" the problem, I meant he was deemed the problem - not the driver who wasn't watching the road - by the TTC supervisors and cops who got called in. Several other people on the bus were talking to the supervisors and cops and were preparing to complain formally, but I wanted to get home (this was around midnight) so I didn't stick around. Sheltered behind multiple representatives of multiple unions, I'm sure there were no consequences for the driver.
Panzerfaust
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My bad, I missed the bit about him doing drugs at work. Sorry about that. Yeah, if he's doing it at work, that's probably indicative of either a problem or exceedingly poor judgement.
paraone
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calling a pot head a drug addict is a bit of a stretch.... ask any meth/crack head and let me know what response you get.
Dilla
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rubbish. just because their addiction tends not to be as intense as others, does not mean it cannot be called addiction. I know more than one person who is truly addicted to this drug. One of the more sinister aspects of marijuana addiction is that people think nothing of it, think nothing of going to work stoned, driving stoned, waking up and getting stoned. Surely, even if one was drinking this way, there would be interventions, arrests and the like. Same goes for painkiller addiction.
Also, (and i'm sorry it's come to this) I'm sort of gald now anytime the TTC does something the union doesn't like. The ATU 113 has made me so bitter that I've become a completely irrational asshole now with any issue involving them.
paraone
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obviously you've never smoked pot, for it be an addiction there has to be some sort of physical withdrawl form the chemical imbalance it causes. this is not the case, as an avid daily pot smoker of over 15 years, it was nothing for me to stop, no withdrawl no nothing I just stopped. Now if a heroin addict or drunk were to just stop there would be physical withdrawl, pot not so much.
for the record I do agree with the rest of your opinon, people don't think enough of it, there is way too much of a lax attitude towards it.
ganjavih
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Technically, no. What you're describing is dependence. You can be addicted so something (ie. gambling, porn) without being physical dependent on it.
paraone
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touche.... I guess coffee drinkers and nail biters are addicts too
Panzerfaust
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Exactly. Marijuana isn't physically addictive, but it is psychologically addictive if you let it be. Psychological addictions are usually less dangerous than physical addictions (as the withdrawl is only in your head, not actually effecting your body as with heroin or cocaine), but no less serious if they're affecting your everyday life.