nfitz
Superstar
Fortunately we are extending both the Spadina and hopefully Yonge subways.
All the experts have demonstrated that there isn't enough demand to extend Sheppard. How are you more qualified than the experts?
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TTC surface stop spacing
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All the experts have demonstrated that there isn't enough demand to extend Sheppard. How are you more qualified than the experts?
Dan416
Senior Member
You're so anti-Sheppard, yet support the Spadina extension into Vaughan which has even less demand. How does position make you qualified to judge anything?
nfitz
Superstar
TTC has estimated that the Sheppard extension to Victoria Park would cost $500 million per kilometre, yet carry less passengers than the Spadina extension to York, which costs far less.
Besides, Spadina is fully-funded. Sheppard is fully not-funded. We have to competing proposals for Sheppard. One would cost $1-billion for a 2-km under-used extension to Victoria Park; and the other would provide 12-km of LRT to Morningside. It's been demonstrated quite clearly that the LRT would serve more people, and have more benefits.
Only a politician as dumb as Rob Ford would push the Sheppard subway project, when it has been clearly demonstrated how little benefit there is from it. And I fail to see why pro-Ford folks like you continue to push such a complete waste of money. I'm tired of lefties like you and Rob Ford who thinks money grows in trees.
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
No offense but the line should at least be extended to VP in order to deal with the traffic nightmare at Fairview Mall.
nfitz
Superstar
I was advocating that as part the Sheppard East LRT project until I learned it would cost $1 billion, and we could instead build the entire Sheppard East LRT to Morningside for the same price, including an underground section to east of the DVP. The underground piece of LRT solves the traffic nightmare problem at Fairview Mall, and saves a lot of money.
Justin10000
Banned
The underground portion of the LRT will bypass the nightmare, and surface east of the DVP. Problem solved.
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
problem solved for transit but not for the vehicular traffic 
RichA
Banned
Economic conditions change contracts all the time
Check out the aviation industry. Countries and airlines cancel and change contracts constantly. Better to pay a fee for that than complete a contract that makes no sense.
Check out the aviation industry. Countries and airlines cancel and change contracts constantly. Better to pay a fee for that than complete a contract that makes no sense.
RichA
Banned
$500M per km seems pricey, why don't we open the bidding to other companies?
In fact, for such a project, we should open it up to companies from other countries.
In fact, for such a project, we should open it up to companies from other countries.
nfitz
Superstar
Why wouldn't they ... foreign companies have been bidding on Spadina construction and Eglinton construction. Lowest bidder wins. I don't see why a foreign company would have a particular advantage on price.
SlickFranky
Active Member
...not to mention the fact that this is a rough TTC estimate, and has not gone through any bidding whatsoever.
I feel like a newspaper comment section somewhere lost a poster.
I feel like a newspaper comment section somewhere lost a poster.
Dan416
Senior Member
There's zero point in putting any of a supposed SELRT underground at all, you might as well just extend the Sheppard subway a few stops and have BRT the rest of the way.
JWBF
Senior Member
Personally I would like to see the "subway" extended to Vic Park, with a stop at Consumers, and then continue as a ROW to STC and then to the Zoo area at least.
JM2CW
JM2CW
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
I think politicians should stop micromanaging things like stop spacing unless there is a truly compelling reason to do so.
AoD
AoD
Dan416
Senior Member
Politicians really shouldn't be doing transit planning either.