sixrings
Senior Member
the government should never allowed these areas to be developed without massive amounts of money that would go to transit. and why is everything condo or 2000 sq ft house. what ever happened to town houses.
the government should never allowed these areas to be developed without massive amounts of money that would go to transit. and why is everything condo or 2000 sq ft house. what ever happened to town houses.
the government should never allowed these areas to be developed without massive amounts of money that would go to transit. and why is everything condo or 2000 sq ft house. what ever happened to town houses.
Do you think that the house / apartment footage is always directly proportional to its distance from the Union station?
There are pretty large houses in Forest Hill, and pretty small apartments in the new buildings along the northern sections of Yonge etc (even north of Steeles).
This thread is waaaaaaaaaay off topic.
I am so sick of these $750,000 shoebox BS. Even in the downtown core, $750,000 can purchase a 1000-1200 sf condo, which is big enough for a 4 member family, not to mention in many periphery areas close to downtown/midtown. We are not in Manhattan, and $750,000 still can goes a long way, unless you expect some sort of 5 bedroom house with a gigantic yard.
People here don't seem to like living with what is actually necessary. For example, A family AND a livingroom is ridiculous. Why do you need both? A guest room that's vacant for 350 days of the year is absolutely redundant. Even a separate formal dining-room is too much. Do you really have formal dinners that often?
The truth is, 90% families can live in condos and apartments. A 3 person family can live comfortably in a 800 sf condo, while a 4 person one can do well with 1000sf. Look at Japan and how they make the best use of their space. Many of you guys just don't want to and choose to live 40 km away from the city and then whine about traffic.
No, I don't. Of course there are large homes closer to downtown and small condos in the suburbs. However, ask around why people (who make 30k to 100K) choose to live that far, most would say it is because you get more space. Can't deny that.
Oh please tell that to all the fixed income families far from decent transit(Rexdale, Jane&Finch), since dollar store food and clothing is optional these days...
That behavioral pattern certainly exists. But the debate on suburban / outer urban transit should not be focused on this pattern only.
Some people choose to live in poorer suburban areas because they cannot afford anything else. Some settle (or stay) outside the core due to the family situation.
Furthermore, not everybody who lives far from downtown wants or needs to commute there. There exists significant demand for local trips, as well as trips to secondary nodes like North York.
it is actually not. It just becomes whether the Sheppard line, or anything in the suburbs, SHOULD be expanded.
Agree. Another possible reason being the jobs for many of those living in certain suburban areas of the city do not exist in significant numbers in the downtown core. Blue-collar employments I believe are concentrated in the suburbs. I think we have to stop thinking Toronto north of Eglinton, or the 401 as a wasteland.That behavioral pattern certainly exists. But the debate on suburban / outer urban transit should not be focused on this pattern only.
Some people choose to live in poorer suburban areas because they cannot afford anything else. Some settle (or stay) outside the core due to the family situation.
Furthermore, not everybody who lives far from downtown wants or needs to commute there. There exists significant demand for local trips, as well as trips to secondary nodes like North York.
I agree with the previous comment about this thread having gone off topic. It's more or less delved into a discussion about cost of living, property value, and rent.
However, in the discussion's heart remains the underlying question: Should we be building costly high order rapid transit that will remain half empty for +20 years until zoning changes and redevelopment projects increase ridership along the line?
My two cents: No.