smallspy
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A ramp was built at Wilson for the TR deliveries. It is still there, and will likely be where all new cars are delivered in the future.
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81-717
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One would hope so, but reading some posts/threads here, especially posts by certain people (they know who they are) often gives the impression of a "soft on" / "bleeding heart" attitude to the problem at best.
Yet the contract still isn't awarded ("negotiations with Alstom" should've been completed by now, and the contract not being awarded is now the only thing stopping Thunder Bay from designing & building those things already).
The new cars are needed sooner (should've already been here starting this year, but no thanks to Leary's incompetence & complicity in delaying/cancelling them, the best we can hope for now is 2030 or maybe 2029 if we're really lucky) than the new yard would be built (the new yard seems to have been pushed back to probably the late 2030s at best, presumably to be concurrent with a potential west extension), so GW isn't going anywhere. The new cars are spec'd as 2-car sets (unlike the TRs) specifically for this reason.
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RapidTransit
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New cars will still be designed for 6-car open gangway operations. I assume a similar set up as the BART trains.
I'm sure there's a lot of details to work out before signing off on anything. As there should be. Why design something when not knowing the full ask.
My wishkist, that will never happen is for Sheppard to be 6car trains as well. Make all subway lines the same, instead of a unique fleet.
I'm sure there's a lot of details to work out before signing off on anything. As there should be. Why design something when not knowing the full ask.
My wishkist, that will never happen is for Sheppard to be 6car trains as well. Make all subway lines the same, instead of a unique fleet.
81-717
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Yes the gangways will span all 6 cars, but they could still be uncoupled into 3 pairs, unlike the TRs. Though maybe they should've gone with the REM configuration with the gangways spanning each pair only.
The details should've already been worked out when the RFP was posted twice in 2023/2024. What "should be" is for them to arrive as soon as possible, since they're already gonna be late. Absolutely not a single T1 should be anywhere other than a scrapyard beyond the early 2030s (same with the TRs beyond the early/mid 2040s), period.
Maybe when the 4 is extended into a proper line, provided they have the sense to not build a separate tram line or OL 2.0
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CMQSD402F9011
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I meant if it’s possible to build a ramp at Kipling station (Where the Galt sub is) or possibly at Wilson now that the airport has been closed at Downsview.
Greenwood yard stopped taking deliveries of new subway cars in the early 2000s iirc. But yea Greenwood isn’t going anywhere.
smallspy
Senior Member
What bearing does the existence or lack-thereof of an airport at Downview have on the existence and use of a loading ramp at the TTC's facility?
At the end of the day - sure, anything is possible. But the question is why? What does building a new ramp at Kipling or anywhere else get you versus one at a TTC facility that already exists?
Dan
Richard White
Senior Member
Does anyone know what happened on Line 2 earlier today?
Northern Light
Superstar
We know it was stated as 'Track Problems".
But @smallspy might be placed to give a more detailed accounting.
Jonny5
Senior Member
Suspect in 2 random stabbings at and near Dufferin station arrested in Hamilton
Toronto police say the suspect in two random stabbings was arrested Friday in Hamilton and is now in custody facing charges.
toronto.citynews.ca
Jonny5
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Looks like whatever it was happened at Donlands per a TTC statement.
81-717
Active Member
There were no new deliveries between the end of 2001 and 2010, and the former were also delivered & entered service on line 1 first, before being handed down to line 2 (though admittedly I don't see the logic of putting the newer T1s on line 1 and displacing the older T1s to line 2 rather than leaving the older T1s that were already on line 1 and putting the newer T1s on line 2 directly).
I assumed you were asking about maintenance rather than delivery of the new fleet. Originally the new yard would've been required for the new fleet if it were built in the TR configuration, but the new fleet was spec'd to allow GW to maintain them; perhaps after the new yard is built and the new fleet reaches its midlife-rebuild stage, it could then be rebuilt into the TR configuration.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
I looked on google maps but didn't see anywhere that the Barrie line crosses the TTC tracks?
smallspy
Senior Member
It does, at Downsview Park Station. Of course, the grade difference would be problematic, as would trying to shlep a subway car down 3 flights of escalators.
More seriously, the TRs were delivered by truck, not train.
Dan
CMQSD402F9011
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Question, when the TRs and the Flexity streetcars were delivered to TTC. Wasn’t it cheaper by Rail over trucking when it came to TRs and Flexity streetcars being delivered?. Although I assume you could build a Spur from the MX Newmarket sub to the Wilson yard over the Tarmac and yes Downsview airport has been closed.
Steve X
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I think it was cheaper to deliver by truck as those rail companies charge an arm and a leg. They truck Skytrains all the way across the country from Kingston to Vancouver. The problem with the Flexitys was trucking to Hillcrest was very problematic as they are longer than subway cars and had to go through downtown. A streetcar on a truck don't fit underneath streetcar overheads. The Citadis Spirits are trucked in as halves but they were also assembled in Brampton.