TTC: Other Items (catch all)

[nfitz]

I know as a man i feel safe, but i personally have wittiness sexual harassment on the TTC towards females.

I've never witnessed this without saying something to the perp - if only to distract them from their target.

I couldn't live with myself if I ignored something like that, and let a 16-year old - even if I got spit in the face for my efforts.

 

[CMQSD402F9011]

Question, how come you don’t see Canadians in Ontario blaming their Crown Attorneys for getting the accused bail as Americans would blame their District Attorneys for sending the accused home in the U.S. maybe it’s the right wing media that’s different. I mean what’s next? Doug Ford wanting “like minded crown attorneys” and not those who are “liberal and NDP” crown attorneys. Then ford will say that crown attorneys should be elected just like the U.S. as he said about electing judges couple months ago.

 

[McGillicuddy]

Everything that happens on the streets of a city inevitably happens in its transit system, too. The TTC doesn't have a violence/danger/harassment problem except insofar as Toronto at large has such a problem. We just feel like the negative social behaviour we see on the streets is unfixable, whereas the TTC is morally accountable for the negative social behaviour occurring on its premises and vehicles.

This is properly understood as a brain worm.

 

[PL1]

Question, how come you don’t see Canadians in Ontario blaming their Crown Attorneys for getting the accused bail as Americans would blame their District Attorneys for sending the accused home in the U.S. maybe it’s the right wing media that’s different. I mean what’s next? Doug Ford wanting “like minded crown attorneys” and not those who are “liberal and NDP” crown attorneys. Then ford will say that crown attorneys should be elected just like the U.S. as he said about electing judges couple months ago.

Crown Attorneys don't "get bail" for accused. They represent the Crown, like DAs, in US parlance which you seem to be familiar with

 

[T3G]

The system is not so dangerous that people should avoid it (Toronto is no Robocop Detroit, yet). But what we are experiencing is akin to the boiling frog metaphor. Everyday experience on the ttc deteriorates just a little bit more and eventually the system should be avoided (Canadians are so nice and forgiving and tend not to complain). I can tell the water is getting uncomfortably warm already, especially after visiting other systems in the world this year, the two extremes: NYC MTA and Hong Kong MTR.
We aren’t that far off from the MTA. Just fewer guns.

What is wrong with the MTA, exactly? I spent almost 2 weeks, collectively, in NYC from 2022-2024 and never encountered anything that made me feel sketched out, despite using it regualrly during my visits, and even on foaming trips out into the outer boroughs. The only borough I never went to is the Bronx.

 

[zang]

What is wrong with the MTA, exactly? I spent almost 2 weeks, collectively, in NYC from 2022-2024 and never encountered anything that made me feel sketched out, despite using it regualrly during my visits, and even on foaming trips out into the outer boroughs. The only borough I never went to is the Bronx.

The only issue I've ever had with the MTA is being far too comfortable with the TTC's design principle of one-subway-entrance for all directions. :/

The New York subway system (as far as intuitiveness and general accessibility)—and NY street dogs—don't live up to the hype. But I digress.

New York felt just as safe as Toronto.

 

[drum118]

TTC streetcar derailed following downtown crash with car: Toronto police​

 

[TRONto]

Everything that happens on the streets of a city inevitably happens in its transit system, too. The TTC doesn't have a violence/danger/harassment problem except insofar as Toronto at large has such a problem. We just feel like the negative social behaviour we see on the streets is unfixable, whereas the TTC is morally accountable for the negative social behaviour occurring on its premises and vehicles.

This is properly understood as a brain worm.

The TTC needs to enforce their existing rules. Simple fare enforcement would likely reduce a significant amount of the problem. Having active enforcement at the gates is part of what is needed. Every time I've seen enforcement officers at Bloor station, they are chatting away , not enforcing the TTC rules.

 

[Jonny5]

I've never witnessed this without saying something to the perp - if only to distract them from their target.

I couldn't live with myself if I ignored something like that, and let a 16-year old - even if I got spit in the face for my efforts.

I've done this myself too, not doing anything physical, but I have done things like where on the subway I saw a man aggressively talking at a young woman who wanted nothing to do with him and I positioned myself between him and her and engaged him at his level where we talked about "all the entitled women these days," while the woman quietly made a break for it at the next station, giving me a silent tiny head nod that she knew what I was doing.

Once I engaged someone at the back of a 511 streetcar who was obviously super high on drugs by simply chit chatting with them about random things to distract them and deescalate the situation. While both times I received thanks from the targets of their abuse, I can still recall when it was over realising that was a giant risk to take and thinking I should not have taken that risk.

And it's not our job to be taking these risks, and we have no training for it, only instinct. So where are the people trained to do this? Whomever is responsible for these scenarios seems to not ever once be in right place at the right time,

 

[DSCToronto]

And it's not our job to be taking these risks, and we have no training for it, only instinct. So where are the people trained to do this? Whomever is responsible for these scenarios seems to not ever once be in right place at the right time,

Good for you but it is really unrealistic to expect we will ever see 'crisis counsellors' in every streetcar or even in every subway station.

 

[nfitz]

And it's not our job to be taking these risks, and we have no training for it, only instinct. So where are the people trained to do this? Whomever is responsible for these scenarios seems to not ever once be in right place at the right time,

I'd think taking such risks is just being human. And we are all qualified.

Even if riders would only report all these things to transit control, it could help. If only to highlight the problem in the monthly statistics. That's pretty painless - I reported a passed out person on the 505 yesterday to transit control ... could have been dead for all I know. But no threat to others.

As to personal risk ... so be it. The city is very safe, and the murder rate is lower than it's been for a couple of generations.

 

[SubHuman]

... Even if riders would only report all these things to transit control, it could help. If only to highlight the problem in the monthly statistics. That's pretty painless - I reported a passed out person on the 505 yesterday to transit control ... could have been dead for all I know. But no threat to others...

The only time I've ever reported or contacted them about anything was a few months ago by filling in the suggestion form (to suggest that they maybe consider boarding up the Queensway/Parkside stop if it's never going to be drained, repaired, or cleaned).

The SafeTTC app seems to be only for reporting emergency, dangerous, or immediately unsafe conditions, something roughly equivalent to 911, although now that I read their description it does also mention "harassment" and "suspicious activity" (whatever that means?). I think there maybe there needs to be something that better explains what should and shouldn't be reported. I'm guessing they don't want us wasting their time by reporting things that some may consider to be a problem, but are far too trivial to be considered an emergency.
Something like a crack/meth enthusiast walking around inside a subway car yelling random racial/sexual epithets and occasionally throwing objects around is unpleasant and somewhat annoying, but not an emergency and not really 'harassment' either, and somehow I doubt it would be anything TTC security could or would want to do anything about anyway.

 

[Jonny5]

The only time I've ever reported or contacted them about anything was a few months ago by filling in the suggestion form (to suggest that they maybe consider boarding up the Queensway/Parkside stop if it's never going to be repaired, drained, or cleaned).

The SafeTTC app seems to be only for reporting emergency, dangerous, or immediately unsafe conditions, something roughly equivalent to 911, although now that I read their description it does also mention "harassment" and "suspicious activity" (whatever that means?). I think there maybe there needs to be something that better explains what should and shouldn't be reported. I'm guessing they don't want us wasting their time by reporting things that some may consider to be a problem, but are far too trivial to be considered an emergency.
Something like a crack/meth enthusiast walking around inside a subway car yelling racial/sexual epithets and occasionally throwing objects around is unpleasant and somewhat annoying, but not an emergency and not really 'harassment' either, and somehow I doubt it would be anything TTC security could or would want to do anything about anyway.

I didn't even know that existed, though it's not like the TTC makes anything easy to learn from their website.

I was poking around trying to find the link to it and found this fun page instead which tells me that there is a federal tax credit for the Metropass, and that Union Station will soon be renovated to add a second platform, and they will be launching this new fangled thing called PRESTO. I wonder what that is?

Know Your TTC

Moving toward a better tomorrow

www.ttc.ca

 

[Richard White]

I can confirm that Warden Station is now accessible.

The elevators from the street to concourse and concourse to platform are functional. I rode both of them today and lived to tell the tale.

 

[JSF-1]

Something that I have been wondering is if the TTC would be open to the idea of constructing a multi-level bus garage as a means to save space. I bring this up because iirc the TTC expects that it will reach garage capacity by 2028 and who really knows where a new garage would be built. Given some of the ridiculous deadheading the downtown routes do (I believe the 19 Bay for example deadheads from Mount Dennis) it would make sense to construct a new garage nearer to downtown however space there is at a premium so short of renovating Lake Shore to handle 40' buses (which I believe the TTC ruled out) it seems it would be wise to try a build a multi-level garage. New York for example has multiple examples of this and even the TTC at one time had Davenport Garage which was 2 stories. I believe in these kinds of garages the 1st floor is where the maintenance bays are, while the 2nd floor and beyond are bus parking.

Just to show some examples from New York:

Grand Avenue Depot (Grand Ave - 49th Place): 200 Bus Capacity

Mother Clara Hale Depot (Malcom X Blvd - 146th St): 150 Bus Capacity

Tuskegee Airman Depot (Lexington Ave - 99th St):