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TTC: Other Items (catch all)

In answer to a comment on his site, Steve Munro just posted this tit-bit. What a crazy organisation!

Steve: The TTC may not restore streetcars to the 503 soon because … wait for it … they are short of streetcar operators. Plans to increase service on three other routes (St. Clair, Dundas and Bathurst) mean the 503 could be a bus for some time even though they have a large fleet of streetcars. This is what comes of budgeting for minimal growth, but buying equipment because the capital subsidies are available.
 
DSCToronto said:
In answer to a comment on his site, Steve Munro just posted this tit-bit. What a crazy organisation!

Steve: The TTC may not restore streetcars to the 503 soon because … wait for it … they are short of streetcar operators. Plans to increase service on three other routes (St. Clair, Dundas and Bathurst) mean the 503 could be a bus for some time even though they have a large fleet of streetcars. This is what comes of budgeting for minimal growth, but buying equipment because the capital subsidies are available.
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It's even more silly than that.

There are a LOT of operators that are moving out of streetcars and into different modes - and not enough operators interesting in moving back to fill those vacancies. And unfortunately because of the seniority rules, the TTC can not stop a lot of the ops from leaving, and can not force new operators to streetcars.

So yeah....silly season is apparently upon us.

Dan
 
DSCToronto said:
In answer to a comment on his site, Steve Munro just posted this tit-bit. What a crazy organisation!

Steve: The TTC may not restore streetcars to the 503 soon because … wait for it … they are short of streetcar operators. Plans to increase service on three other routes (St. Clair, Dundas and Bathurst) mean the 503 could be a bus for some time even though they have a large fleet of streetcars. This is what comes of budgeting for minimal growth, but buying equipment because the capital subsidies are available.
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Cool.
 
smallspy said:
It's even more silly than that.

There are a LOT of operators that are moving out of streetcars and into different modes - and not enough operators interesting in moving back to fill those vacancies. And unfortunately because of the seniority rules, the TTC can not stop a lot of the ops from leaving, and can not force new operators to streetcars.

So yeah....silly season is apparently upon us.

Dan
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Why are operators not interested in driving streetcars?
 
Monarch Butterfly said:
The "silly" rules they have to follow. "Go slow" rules at intersections, "stop" at track switches, etc..
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Dealing with traffic/pedestrians too. While the subway has lots of slow zones, it's less stressful/requires less mental energy to operate. This makes it more attractive to older operators looking for something more relaxing in their later years.
 
smallspy said:
It is, actually. At least in part.

Streetcar ops feel that the organization is micromanaging them to a degree that is not felt elsewhere in the organization. All sorts of silly and arcane rules are a good part of it.

Dan
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Dan,

Correct me if I am wrong but is the Streetcar system still under the Railway Act or did it get moved to the Highway Traffic Act?

If it is the Railway Act, that would explain the different rules and procedures. It would also explain why alot of operators don't want to get involved with them.
 
smallspy said:
It is, actually. At least in part.

Streetcar ops feel that the organization is micromanaging them to a degree that is not felt elsewhere in the organization. All sorts of silly and arcane rules are a good part of it.

Dan
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The micromanaging part is the main source of the frustrations, but sure we can say the stop and proceed/vehicle crowing through signalized intersections contributes to the micromanaging (aka through the SOPs- which are idiotic).
 
Richard White said:
Dan,

Correct me if I am wrong but is the Streetcar system still under the Railway Act or did it get moved to the Highway Traffic Act?

If it is the Railway Act, that would explain the different rules and procedures. It would also explain why alot of operators don't want to get involved with them.
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I don't think that streetcars have been covered by the Railway Act since the 1930s. They are covered by the Highway Traffic Act - sort of. Insofar as anyone operating a streetcar is expected to meet the same requirements as anyone operating any other registered motor vehicle in the Province of Ontario, and so is expected to operate it under the same rules and regulations.

Amare said:
The micromanaging part is the main source of the frustrations, but sure we can say the stop and proceed/vehicle crowing through signalized intersections contributes to the micromanaging (aka through the SOPs- which are idiotic).
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Well, here's an example.....

There is a rule that all equipment must not exceed 10km/h when operating over any specialwork (specialwork defined as any specialized trackwork such as crossings and switches). And that rule is enforced by supervisors, sometimes using radar speed detectors at the side of the road, and sometimes by supervisors located within the CIS offices using the live VISION data. And there are numerous reports of operators getting hauled in for a talking to because of this.

Dan
 
smallspy said:
There is a rule that all equipment must not exceed 10km/h when operating over any specialwork (specialwork defined as any specialized trackwork such as crossings and switches). And that rule is enforced by supervisors, sometimes using radar speed detectors at the side of the road, and sometimes by supervisors located within the CIS offices using the live VISION data. And there are numerous reports of operators getting hauled in for a talking to because of this.
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Now that's the biggest steaming pile of bull**** that I've ever seen.

In some cases it's required, I get it. You dont want someone doing 60 kph through a switch if that switch is problematic.

Having said that, a recently replaced switch or clear crossing shouldn't require a slow order.

I'd be wearing that talking to as a badge of honor.
 
smallspy said:
There is a rule that all equipment must not exceed 10km/h when operating over any specialwork (specialwork defined as any specialized trackwork such as crossings and switches). And that rule is enforced by supervisors, sometimes using radar speed detectors at the side of the road, and sometimes by supervisors located within the CIS offices using the live VISION data. And there are numerous reports of operators getting hauled in for a talking to because of this.

Dan
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It's really absolute lunacy.

Meanwhile we have supervisors who are unable to adequately ensure proper vehicle separation around various routes around the city even when they are "actively" supervising a given route, but they worry themselves about archaic and empty-headed rules instituted by TTC management which make absolutely no sense.

Frankly their needs to be full scale changes in management. They reaped what they sowed, and now both the TTC and riders are paying for management stupidity.

I'd love to see their explanation for this in the public domain for how X amount of multi-million dollar pieces of equipment are sitting idle and wasted because they cant find operators to run the streetcars. No doubt they would come out with the BS to the nature of "we're actively recruiting for new operators".
 
Amare said:
It's really absolute lunacy.

Meanwhile we have supervisors who can are unable to adequately ensure proper vehicle separation around various routes around the city even when they are "actively" supervising a given route, but they worry themselves about archaic and empty-headed rules instituted by TTC management which make absolutely no sense.

Frankly their needs to be full scale changes in management. They reaped what they sowed, and now both the TTC and riders are paying for management stupidity.

I'd love to see their explanation for this in the public domain for how X amount of multi-million dollar pieces of equipment are sitting idle and wasted because they cant find operators to run the streetcars. No doubt they would come out with the BS to the nature of "we're actively recruiting for new operators".
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And increase the operations budget and update the streetcar infrastructure to European standards, so they can operate properly. Don't follow the American standards or 20th century standards.
 
Amare said:
It's really absolute lunacy.

Meanwhile we have supervisors who are unable to adequately ensure proper vehicle separation around various routes around the city even when they are "actively" supervising a given route, but they worry themselves about archaic and empty-headed rules instituted by TTC management which make absolutely no sense.

Frankly their needs to be full scale changes in management. They reaped what they sowed, and now both the TTC and riders are paying for management stupidity.

I'd love to see their explanation for this in the public domain for how X amount of multi-million dollar pieces of equipment are sitting idle and wasted because they cant find operators to run the streetcars. No doubt they would come out with the BS to the nature of "we're actively recruiting for new operators".
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TTC management cannot get the correct route numbers onto stops nor remove temporary diversion stop signage nor remove stops for the (obviously discontinued) Express 14X series of routes. These are easy things that take little skill to achieve, we clearly cannot expect them to deal with route management, switches and scary stuff like that.
 
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