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[smallspy]

@smallspy I was looking at the video above and the way the tunnel is configured just west of Bay caught my attention.

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That's unusually open and wide, particularly for an area without a cross over. Are you aware of any reason for that?

"Simplifying construction" is the answer.

That section of tunnel is two levels high - the stretch from St. George to Bay on the upper, and the stretch from Museum to Bay on the lower. Because of the use of an island platform at Bay there is a larger gap between the tracks, and so the whole area was excavated as a large cavern.

It's hard to see when looking forward, but you can note that the south wall is not aligned with the track the train is running on. That's because it's aligned with the track below.

The double-crossover cavern east of St. George is built in the same manner. There are walls at odd angles on both levels as they match up with the walls above or below.

Dan

 

[Northern Light]

"Simplifying construction" is the answer.

That section of tunnel is two levels high - the stretch from St. George to Bay on the upper, and the stretch from Museum to Bay on the lower. Because of the use of an island platform at Bay there is a larger gap between the tracks, and so the whole area was excavated as a large cavern.

It's hard to see when looking forward, but you can note that the south wall is not aligned with the track the train is running on. That's because it's aligned with the track below.

The double-crossover cavern east of St. George is built in the same manner. There are walls at odd angles on both levels as they match up with the walls above or below.

Dan

Thanks Dan!

 

[smallspy]

Another question for @smallspy as I'm rolling through the video..... right after the exit track to Greenwood yard, off the EB tracks, there's a cavity that's quite large.

It almost looks like a parallel tunnel.

Just curious to know about that, if you have any info.

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It is a parallel tunnel. But there's nothing on this level of it.

Like the sections between Bay and St. George, the tunnels were built as two-story structures here, with the eastbound running tunnel on the lower level and the westbound on the upper level.

Instead of filling in the spaces - which would make it difficult to inspect that part of the structure - it was left open.

Dan

 

[T3G]

Some other views of the tunnel mess around Bay. The first two photos are from the lower level, the last from the upper.

 

[DSCToronto]

We all know that the City are not good at giving transit proper priority but, based on this Report going to Infrastructure Committee next week.....

Expansion of the Transit Signal Priority System Transit Signal Priority (TSP) is a technology implemented at traffic signals that prioritizes TTC vehicles. The City began installing TSP in the mid-1990s and, to date, of 420 signalized intersections operate with TSP, primarily along seven (7) major streetcar and four (4) major bus routes.

Since 2022, the City and TTC have accelerated the implementation of additional TSP, adding or upgrading 131 intersections across the TTC route network to increase speed and reliability.

As part of this ongoing effort, 50 more locations will be upgraded or equipped with TSP by the end of 2025.

SEE: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/ie/bgrd/backgroundfile-254156.pdf

 

[Richard White]

The signals there aren't set up for bidirectional operation.

I'm a little bit surprised about what dispatch is telling the crew there as well. The train would trip against the back of the second signal that they see

Indeed.

It caught me off guard. My first thought was that it wasn't possible.

 

[DSCToronto]

About the same ..

 

[nfitz]

I've never really noticed that Coxwell/Woodbine one - it's not very long, and I think relatively close to Woodbine station (or perhaps they are just slowing down for the switches just west of Woodbine). Nothing like some of the ones on Line 1.

 

[81-717]

Meh, Finch–NYCC has been an RSZ since after 2013 anyway.

 

[drum118]

Upcoming subway closures and service adjustments

Apr. 3, 2025

The TTC is advising customers that buses will replace subway service on portions of Line 1 and Line 2 this weekend to accommodate scheduled state-of-good-repair track work and transit expansion construction.

Full weekend closure – Line 2 between Warden and Kennedy stations for Scarborough Subway Extension work

Starting at 11 p.m., on Fri., Apr. 4, and continuing throughout the weekend on Sat., Apr. 5 and Sun., Apr. 6, there will be no subway service on the portion of Line 2 Bloor-Danforth between Warden and Kennedy stations to accommodate construction of the Scarborough Subway Extension.

Shuttle buses will run, stopping at each station along the route. Customers who require Wheel-Trans service can speak with any TTC customer service staff member for assistance.

Full weekend closure – Line 1 between Sheppard West and Lawrence West stations for track work

On Sat., Apr. 5 and Sun., Apr. 6 there will be no subway service between Sheppard West and Lawrence West stations to accommodate track work to address restricted speed zones along that portion of Line 1 Yonge-University.

Shuttle buses will run, stopping at each station along the route. Customers who require Wheel-Trans service can speak with any TTC customer service staff member for assistance.

Monday to Friday – Early nightly subway closures between Ossington and Jane stations

Mon., Apr. 7 through Fri., April. 11, subway service on the portion of Line 2 Bloor-Danforth between Ossington and Jane stations will end nightly at 11 p.m. to accommodate planned track work.

A frequent shuttle bus service will run, stopping at each station along the route. Customers who require Wheel-Trans service can speak with any TTC customer service staff member for assistance.

While the TTC does most subway maintenance after service each night, it continues to require weekend and early weeknight closures to complete critical infrastructure and state-of-good-repair work.

Streetcar service adjustments

• Starting at 11 p.m. on Fri., Apr. 4 until 4 a.m. on Mon., Apr. 7, 501/301 Queen streetcars will divert onto King St. between Shaw St. and Roncesvalles Ave. to accommodate TTC infrastructure repairs on Queen St. between Fennings and Dufferin St. Replacement buses will run along Queen St. between Bathurst St. and Sunnyside Ave.

• Daily, 8 a.m. to 4 p.m., from Mon., Apr. 7 until Fri., Apr. 11, 511 Bathurst streetcars will divert at King and Spadina to accommodate City of Toronto work at Charlotte St. Streetcars will run east on King St. W., north on Spadina Ave., and west on Queen St. W. to Bathurst St. 511B replacement buses will continue to operate from Bathurst St. and Queen St. to Exhibition Loop.

• From 11 p.m. on Mon., Apr. 7 until 4 a.m. on Tues., Apr. 8, 501/301 Queen streetcars will divert due to City of Toronto sewer repairs at Queen St. and McCaul St. Westbound streetcars will run along King St. between Church St. and Spadina Ave., while eastbound streetcars will divert onto Adelaide St. at Spadina Ave. Replacement buses will run between Church St. and Spadina Ave.


Events

• On Sun., Apr. 6 from 11 a.m. until 4 p.m., the 72 Pape and 83 Jones routes will divert for the Greek Independence Day Parade. 72 Pape buses will run along Broadview Ave. both ways between Mortimer Ave. and Gerrard St. The 83 Jones will redirect from Jones Ave. between Donlands Station and Gerrard St. and will run along Greenwood Ave.

The TTC is committed to keeping customers informed about work and events that impact service, as well as alternate route options. For the most up-to-date information, follow @TTCNotices on X or sign up for eAlerts.

 

[kvvoyage]

Trips on the BD between VP and Kennedy have been taking longer than usual recently for me, around the 13-15 minute mark. I'm aware it's because of trains ahead turning around, but I don't seem to encounter the same sort of delay at Kipling. Is there a difference in design of the two BD termini that causes delays in one but not the other?

It's slowly getting fustrating, since I transfer to the 905 as an onward journey and always miss it by 1 minute as a result..

 

[Richard White]

Trips on the BD between VP and Kennedy have been taking longer than usual recently for me, around the 13-15 minute mark. I'm aware it's because of trains ahead turning around, but I don't seem to encounter the same sort of delay at Kipling. Is there a difference in design of the two BD termini that causes delays in one but not the other?

It's slowly getting fustrating, since I transfer to the 905 as an onward journey and always miss it by 1 minute as a result..

I do this route daily and never experienced this.

Kennedy has always had terminal issues. It used to be quite common for trains to hold in the tunnels west of the crossover.

 

[kvvoyage]

I do this route daily and never experienced this.

Kennedy has always had terminal issues. It used to be quite common for trains to hold in the tunnels west of the crossover.

What's the difference between the design of Kennedy and Kipling that I don't experience turnaround delays approaching the latter? I thought they both utilise a crossover switch before the station?

If it helps, the VP-Kennedy journey occurs routinely at around 8pm on weekdays.

 

[drum118]

What's the difference between the design of Kennedy and Kipling that I don't experience turnaround delays approaching the latter? I thought they both utilise a crossover switch before the station?

If it helps, the VP-Kennedy journey occurs routinely at around 8pm on weekdays.

I find there is no different at each end other than peak time when more trains are on the line. You may move more slowly toward the station based on the dispatcher or sit while one train crossover from one track to the other from the station or wait for a free track to use it. We are only talking about a few minutes at the most and there has never been more than 5 minute wait at the worse end.

 

[T3G]

Has any thought been given to standardizing the announcements on the bus fleet with those on the Toronto Rockets and Flexitys? I can't stand the bus ones, they seem to be exactly the right amount of mumbled so that I can't understand the name of a single non-major street without looking at the internal display, which seems to defeat their whole purpose. The rail based announcements seem to be a lot clearer.

Of course, what I'd REALLY like is for them to go back to human announcements, as the overuse of computer generated announcements makes the whole experience of transit use feel dehumanizing and impersonal, but I think that ship has sailed...