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TTC: Other Items (catch all)

Northern Light said:
And last year, there was someone who was definitely unstable getting up in the face of a female passenger and clearly scaring her. I stood up, inserted myself between them and backed him up off the train. I'm not a hero, it was a move that carried risk, it was also the right thing to do, and I'm not particularly young, nor a martial artist.
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What's shocking in those cases, is still the younger generation sits there and doesn't react.

I got spit on once for my trouble when there was a drunk verbally sexually harassing a mortified looking high-schooler. But at least I distracted him until the streetcar came (not even a passenger).

But I'm an idiot, so if someone is crossing the line that far, I'm going to say something. I draw the line at urinating on streetcar doors or masturbating standing in the aisle no matter how stoned they are. I really don't care if they beat me to a pulp ... I can't imagine living with myself if I became that meek.
 
Northern Light said:
f we're going to insist that no one can ever call out anti-social behavior unless they are either 'John Wick' or willing to press the alarm and potentially hold up an entire train of people for 20 minutes, then too much ill behavior will proliferate.
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In my book, it depends on what sort of person is engaging in said anti-social behaviour.

If you told a teenage girl to take her feet off the seats in front of her, sure, you'll walk away from that interaction without a scratch on you.

But confronting homeless people and crackheads is a different kettle of fish entirely. If one wishes to, then by all means (especially if you have multiple normal people ganging up one weirdo, which is what I think would be prudent to do), but I don't think it's fair to shame people for not sticking their own necks out for doing the same. Concerning the behaviour depicted in the video that started off this discussion, I would keep well clear of this individual. I am a slight and not at all fighting person, and the juice would not be worth the squeeze. As far as the people described by nfitz who were urinating on doors or masturbating in the aisle, I am putting as much distance between myself and those individuals as physically possible.
 
Because of privacy laws, the cameras on the train and platform cannot "monitor" behaviour. Can't do automatic facial recognition so that a police officer can do a visit to their home and issue a fine or arrest them... at the moment, unless the laws change otherwise.
 
nfitz said:
Pish.

People need to act.
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Anecdotal but I heard a story of a crack head attacking someone, the person punched back in self defense and talked to a nearby cop. His response was I'll arrest both of you if you want me to take action.

Why would anyone risk getting into a confrontation? The attacker will face ZERO consequences, while you're going to be paying legal fees at best, seriously inured at worst.

W. K. Lis said:
Because of privacy laws, the cameras on the train and platform cannot "monitor" behaviour. Can't do automatic facial recognition so that a police officer can do a visit to their home and issue a fine or arrest them... at the moment, unless the laws change otherwise.
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LMAO they probably don't even have a home, and if they did police wouldn't care. A girl stole a car and ran over the owner and was out on bail the next day.

Mr.Tang said:
I tiny minority of individuals who can not fit in with the most basic of society's norms cost massive disruption, cost and harm to the other 99%. Whether on transit, in our emergency rooms, public spaces or crime. If we dont do something moderately more forceful on the issue - I think a politician will come along and get mass approval for doing something maximally forceful on the issue. It feels like a cross between a zombie apocalypse movie and the Weimar republic.
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Aside from the whole issue of compassion, the jails are 30% over capacity, and the courts are stretched so thin violent offenders are walking due to cases being pushed past 2 years. You'd need to fix courts and jails before anything is fixed, and those are the 2 slowest parts of the government.
 
This is funny:

www.thestar.com

Could a federal election derail funding for Toronto's new Line 2 subway cars?

The $2.3-billion purchase of a new fleet of cars for Toronto’s Line 2 subway was made in November, tentatively promising some relief for the aging line.
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TTCriders, the transit advocacy group, had tried to get Toronto MPs to commit to supporting federal funding for the TTC. They received pledges from MPs of all stripes, including Erskine-Smith — but not from any Conservatives.
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Toronto has 25 Liberal MPs and 0 Conservatives. No wonder they couldn't find any Toronto Conservative MPs to commit. The only MP whose riding has a touch of subway line in it is Melissa Lantsman, whose hobby is harassing Nate Erskine-Smith, not supporting the TTC.
 
turbanplanner said:
Anecdotal but I heard a story of a crack head attacking someone, the person punched back in self defense and talked to a nearby cop. His response was I'll arrest both of you if you want me to take action.
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I don't find your anecdote at all credible.

turbanplanner said:
Why would anyone risk getting into a confrontation? The attacker will face ZERO consequences, while you're going to be paying legal fees at best, seriously inured at worst.
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I find this statement absurd and lacking any supporting evidence.

turbanplanner said:
LMAO they probably don't even have a home, and if they did police wouldn't care. A girl stole a car and ran over the owner and was out on bail the next day.
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Citation to support this story please.
 
Northern Light said:
I don't find your anecdote at all credible.
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This is the guy who gets attacked by a crackhead every third time he rides the TTC (anecdotally) so clearly his anecdotes are all trustworthy.

The car thief story is true, though. Not that I'd want to base our bail system on an outlier case of one offence caught on video and going viral on twitter, but it has its problems.

globalnews.ca

Alleged Ontario Porsche thief granted bail for 2nd time in a week | Globalnews.ca

The woman made headlines last week after Peel police identified her as a suspect in a brazen theft in Mississauga which was caught on camera.
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evandyk said:
This is the guy who gets attacked by a crackhead every third time he rides the TTC (anecdotally) so clearly his anecdotes are all trustworthy.
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Which is weird because I seemingly never encounter these people (crackheads, [sic]) on my journeys on the TTC. Perhaps i'm not seeing what I want to see when I ride transit.
 
You do see it once in a while. I saw a guy taking a piss onto the tracks in Dufferin Station last night (sadly, no contact with the third rail). But this poor guy really must have the worst luck. Either that or he likes to make up stories.
 
Mihairokov said:
Which is weird because I seemingly never encounter these people (crackheads, [sic]) on my journeys on the TTC. Perhaps i'm not seeing what I want to see when I ride transit.
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It's route-specific. And these aren't routes that were perfect a decade ago either. I was commuting in Scarborough and Markham for a year, and didn't see anything - even at Victoria Park station.

But I'd say half the time I take the 506, there's someone living in the back seat. Though mostly they are quiet enough - just homeless and meek. And the 75 Sherbourne was certainly entertaining enough years ago.
 
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