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[PL1]

No service at Pape Station on Line 2 this weekend for Ontario Line work (from Twitter/X)

 

[81-717]

So will trains leaving/entering the yard finally make their first/last stop at Donlands instead of Pape, at least for the duration of the closure?

 

[felix123]

No service at Pape Station on Line 2 this weekend for Ontario Line work (from Twitter/X)
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I wonder what sort of work they'll be doing on the tunnel this weekend.

 

[Richard White]

I wonder what sort of work they'll be doing on the tunnel this weekend.

I would think none as trains are still running through.

If anything, this is likely in-station work.

 

[felix123]

I would think none as trains are still running through.

If anything, this is likely in-station work.

Probably right, though the tweet mentions "subway tunnel work". They are still far from starting underpinning though.

 

[generalcanada]

expect many many more weekend and nightly service disruptions at pape till 2030

 

[felix123]

expect many many more weekend and nightly service disruptions at pape till 2030

If so, the connecting bus routes should be rerouted to nearby stations as much as possible.

 

[rbt]

I wonder what sort of work they'll be doing on the tunnel this weekend.

None? It looks like trains carrying passengers will still using that portion of track, just not stopping at the station. That leads me to believe the tunnel isn't impacted. The notice also says bus service and the station will not be impacted.

I guess that leaves the platform. So what work would allow trains to travel through carrying passengers but not allow passengers to use the platform? It's much too early to be punching holes for passenger flow to the new component.

 

[smallspy]

None? It looks like trains carrying passengers will still using that portion of track, just not stopping at the station. That leads me to believe the tunnel isn't impacted. The notice also says bus service and the station will not be impacted.

I guess that leaves the platform. So what work would allow trains to travel through carrying passengers but not allow passengers to use the platform? It's much too early to be punching holes for passenger flow to the new component.

If they are digging anywhere else in the station complex, they may require pedestrian tunnel closures while they do the work.

If one can't get from the platform to the surface - or even from one platform to the other - what good is stopping at the platform?

Dan

 

[reinventingthewheel]

I’m inclined to think they are preparing work sites and hoarding in the concourse and platform levels, such that fewer closures are needed during construction.

There is also early work to be done on the new vent shaft, which falls inside the existing station’s perimeter, as well as reinforced foundation in the north-most staircase entrance from the bus loop.

 

[81-717]

I said nothing of the sort.

You made the comment about ordering equipment that lasts longer. To last longer will require it to have weight added (stronger trucks, stronger traction motors, higher rated drive equipment, etc). If you make the trains heavier, you may also require all of the stuff around and underneath the trains to get strengthened to account for that.

Dan

Underneath the trains I get (i.e. the running rails, trackbed and to a lesser extent the 3rd rail), but why would the other infrastructure around the trains require strengthening, if the trains generally don't make contact with anything else besides the tracks & 3rd rail?

 

[DSCToronto]

Agenda Item History 2024.GG12.16

Agenda Item History 2024.GG12.16

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GG12.16 - Application for Approval to Expropriate 320-326 Bloor Street West for the Spadina Station Streetcar Platform Extension - Stage 1​

Consideration Type: ACTIONWard: 11 - University - Rosedale

Origin​

(April 17, 2024) Report from the Executive Director, Corporate Real Estate Management

Recommendations​

The Executive Director, Corporate Real Estate Management recommends that:

1. City Council authorize the Executive Director, Corporate Real Estate Management, to continue negotiations to acquire the property interests set out in Appendix A (the "Property Requirements") and as illustrated in the draft reference plan set out in Appendix B, and City Council authorize the initiation of expropriation proceedings for the Property Requirements, for the purpose of extending the platform at Spadina Station in order to accommodate two streetcar vehicles as part of the Line 2 Capacity Enhancement Program (the “Project”), if the Executive Director, Corporate Real Estate Management, deems it necessary or appropriate to proceed in that manner.

2. City Council grant authority to serve and publish the Notices of Application for Approval to Expropriate Land for the Property Requirements, to forward to the Ontario Land Tribunal any requests for hearings that are received, to attend the hearing(s) to present the City's position, and to report the Ontario Land Tribunal's recommendations to City Council for its consideration.

Summary​

 

[Northern Light]

Agenda Item History 2024.GG12.16

Agenda Item History 2024.GG12.16

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GG12.16 - Application for Approval to Expropriate 320-326 Bloor Street West for the Spadina Station Streetcar Platform Extension - Stage 1​

Consideration Type: ACTIONWard: 11 - University - Rosedale

Origin​

(April 17, 2024) Report from the Executive Director, Corporate Real Estate Management

Recommendations​

The Executive Director, Corporate Real Estate Management recommends that:

1. City Council authorize the Executive Director, Corporate Real Estate Management, to continue negotiations to acquire the property interests set out in Appendix A (the "Property Requirements") and as illustrated in the draft reference plan set out in Appendix B, and City Council authorize the initiation of expropriation proceedings for the Property Requirements, for the purpose of extending the platform at Spadina Station in order to accommodate two streetcar vehicles as part of the Line 2 Capacity Enhancement Program (the “Project”), if the Executive Director, Corporate Real Estate Management, deems it necessary or appropriate to proceed in that manner.

2. City Council grant authority to serve and publish the Notices of Application for Approval to Expropriate Land for the Property Requirements, to forward to the Ontario Land Tribunal any requests for hearings that are received, to attend the hearing(s) to present the City's position, and to report the Ontario Land Tribunal's recommendations to City Council for its consideration.

Summary​

Sensible to put it here too;

I posted it in the applicable development thread earlier.

 

[smallspy]

Underneath the trains I get (i.e. the running rails, trackbed and to a lesser extent the 3rd rail), but why would the other infrastructure around the trains require strengthening, if the trains generally don't make contact with anything else besides the tracks & 3rd rail?

What do you think supports the rails?

That weight and those forces need to go somewhere. They don't just disappear into the rail, ties, trackbed, etc. This is less of an issue in most of the tunnels because of the way that they interact with the soil, but it may be a serious issue at things like bridges. Plus, not all of the "tunnels" are actually tunnels.

Dan

 

[81-717]

What do you think supports the rails?

That weight and those forces need to go somewhere. They don't just disappear into the rail, ties, trackbed, etc. This is less of an issue in the tunnels, but may be a serious issue at things like bridges. Plus, not all of the "tunnels" are actually tunnels.

Dan

I do realize the rails are supported by the trackbed, which in turn is supported by what's underneath it, but my question was regarding what's not under (since you did say "around and underneath the trains"), and (as far as I know) doesn't need to support the weight of the train, i.e. platforms, walls, ceilings, etc.