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TTC: Other Items (catch all)

The November CEO Report is up on TTC website; among other things it notes (regarding On-Time performance - OTP) on streetcar routes - which is low!:

"Action  New schedules are currently under development for all four streetcar routes that are currently not impacted by construction (509, 510, 511 and 512).  New Operators will be educated on the importance of OTP and how they directly impact this critical KPI for our customers.  Workforce planning, in order to align requirements with workforce availability, also continues to be a key priority."

They might want to do some education of EXISTING operators and spend some time looking at ROUTE MANAGEMENT & Supervision.
 
DSC said:
The November CEO Report is up on TTC website; among other things it notes (regarding On-Time performance - OTP) on streetcar routes - which is low!:

"Action  New schedules are currently under development for all four streetcar routes that are currently not impacted by construction (509, 510, 511 and 512).  New Operators will be educated on the importance of OTP and how they directly impact this critical KPI for our customers.  Workforce planning, in order to align requirements with workforce availability, also continues to be a key priority."

They might want to do some education of EXISTING operators and spend some time looking at ROUTE MANAGEMENT & Supervision.
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New schedules (aka more schedule padding) to slow down streetcar service even more.

The fact that they cant even run 2 routes properly which are operating in complete ROWs shows everyone how piss poorly managed this organization is from head to toe. What good are schedules if there's practically 0 route management anywhere across the system?

What a clown show.
 
Amare said:
New schedules (aka more schedule padding) to slow down streetcar service even more.

The fact that they cant even run 2 routes properly which are operating in complete ROWs shows everyone how piss poorly managed this organization is from head to toe. What good are schedules if there's practically 0 route management anywhere across the system?

What a clown show.
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They really need to change the approach on how to provide service oppose to rewriting the schedule every year. Clearly it doesn't work.

They need to look at trouble spots where congestion arises and have officers enforce regulations or someone doing point duty. Oh wait, that's too complicated for idiots who run the system.
Like Yonge/Dundas area and Dundas/DVP ramp could use an improvement. The city/transportation department just have no interest in improving transit.

Gap cars to fill in the gap. This might mean new loops to store these streetcars. It can even be buses. Oh wait, that's a waste of resources. Better of making people wait half an hour.
Further splitting streetcar lines. Like 506A High Park to Broadview, 506B Bathurst to Main Street. At least screw ups on one end won't affect the other end.
 
Steve X said:
They really need to change the approach on how to provide service oppose to rewriting the schedule every year. Clearly it doesn't work.

They need to look at trouble spots where congestion arises and have officers enforce regulations or someone doing point duty. Oh wait, that's too complicated for idiots who run the system.
Like Yonge/Dundas area and Dundas/DVP ramp could use an improvement. The city/transportation department just have no interest in improving transit.

Gap cars to fill in the gap. This might mean new loops to store these streetcars. It can even be buses. Oh wait, that's a waste of resources. Better of making people wait half an hour.
Further splitting streetcar lines. Like 506A High Park to Broadview, 506B Bathurst to Main Street. At least screw ups on one end won't affect the other end.
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From the very detailed analyses done by Steve Munro, it is clear that traffic is NOT really the main cause of uneven service. It is that nobody at TTC seems to care or intervene when vehicles form bunches and are not properly distributed to provide well spaced service. Their on time' metric (+ or - 5 minutes) allows for lots of poor service to be ignored and Steve's charts show vehicles often even depart termini together. Nobody says it is easy to manage routes properly as traffic IS a factor but they seem to make no effort. Until very recently, they used to have on-street 'inspectors' with clip-boards who did as best they could by peering along the street to see how far away the nearest vehicle was; they seem to have gone so the TTC are, presumably, only using their VISION info to see exactly where vehicles are but this is clearly not being done well! Partly because Leary decreed 'no short turns' - though these are a very viable way to manage routes and work fine if done properly!
 
What I think they need to do is bring in resources from a system that manages mixed-traffic trams well (most likely in Germany) and do a radical rebuild of the management and traffic control systems. But no, Not Invented Here.
 
Finally, we have an agenda for the December 8th TTC meeting. See link.

Presentations/Reports/Other Business​


Item 1: Election of Vice-Chair of the TTC Board (For Action)​

Item 2: Chief Executive Officer’s Report – December 2022 (Presentation) (For Information)​

Item 3: 40, 45 & 50 Years Long Service Acknowledgement for 2022 (For Information)​

Item 4: Approved Minutes of the Advisory Committee on Accessible Transit (ACAT) General Monthly Meetings for June 30, July 28, August 25, September 29 and October 27, 2022 (For Information)​

Item 5: Presentation to Retiring Members and Appointment of New Members to the Advisory Committee on Accessible Transit (ACAT)(Confidential Attachment - this report deals with personal matters about an identifiable person, including municipal or local board employees) (For Action)​

Item 6: Appointments to TTC Committees (For Action) ​

Item 7: 2023 Schedule of Meetings (For Action)​

Item 8: Delegation of Authority Exercised during the Election Recess (For Information) ​

Item 9: Proxy to Vote TTC Shares in Toronto Coach Terminal Inc. (TCTI) (For Action)​

 
DSC said:
From the very detailed analyses done by Steve Munro, it is clear that traffic is NOT really the main cause of uneven service. It is that nobody at TTC seems to care or intervene when vehicles form bunches and are not properly distributed to provide well spaced service. Their on time' metric (+ or - 5 minutes) allows for lots of poor service to be ignored and Steve's charts show vehicles often even depart termini together. Nobody says it is easy to manage routes properly as traffic IS a factor but they seem to make no effort. Until very recently, they used to have on-street 'inspectors' with clip-boards who did as best they could by peering along the street to see how far away the nearest vehicle was; they seem to have gone so the TTC are, presumably, only using their VISION info to see exactly where vehicles are but this is clearly not being done well! Partly because Leary decreed 'no short turns' - though these are a very viable way to manage routes and work fine if done properly!
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And the funny thing is, there are still short-turns on the system which only exasperate the horrid scheduling even more. The other night I was on the 512 going westbound from St.Clair station during peak rush hour around 5.

Somehow service was already severely screwed up and after a nice 15 min wait, a 512 showed up but "scheduled" to run to Oakwood. 2 mins later another one showed up to run through to Keele, while a 3rd trailed us "scheduled" to run to Lansdowne. Notice how I put scheduled in quotation marks, because these are short turns which the TTC apparently doesnt like to clearly mark as such because of whatever idiotic reason they have. Now the best part is, the streetcar that was "scheduled" to run to Oakwood dumped all it's passengers there and the stop was overcrowded and couldnt pick up all the passengers on the car that I was on that was headed to Keele. The streetcar behind me was going to Lansdowne, so who knows how long those customers had to wait for the next Keele bound streetcar.

This is during peak hours ladies and gentlemen, on a route which was severely screwed up before it's ROW was constructed. We all thought the ROW was constructed to rectify the issues the route was having (which it was initially), but yet this joke of an organization has degraded the service there so bad to the point that the 512 runs as if there was still no ROW constructed at many points during the day.
 
Priority for public transit includes a large variety of measures, including improvements to infrastructure and vehicles.

See link.

In Toronto, priority is given to the single-occupant motor vehicles. We see left turning motorists going ahead of the 70+ on board streetcars and buses. This has to change.
 
Amare said:
And the funny thing is, there are still short-turns on the system which only exasperate the horrid scheduling even more. The other night I was on the 512 going westbound from St.Clair station during peak rush hour around 5.

Somehow service was already severely screwed up and after a nice 15 min wait, a 512 showed up but "scheduled" to run to Oakwood. 2 mins later another one showed up to run through to Keele, while a 3rd trailed us "scheduled" to run to Lansdowne. Notice how I put scheduled in quotation marks, because these are short turns which the TTC apparently doesnt like to clearly mark as such because of whatever idiotic reason they have. Now the best part is, the streetcar that was "scheduled" to run to Oakwood dumped all it's passengers there and the stop was overcrowded and couldnt pick up all the passengers on the car that I was on that was headed to Keele. The streetcar behind me was going to Lansdowne, so who knows how long those customers had to wait for the next Keele bound streetcar.

This is during peak hours ladies and gentlemen, on a route which was severely screwed up before it's ROW was constructed. We all thought the ROW was constructed to rectify the issues the route was having (which it was initially), but yet this joke of an organization has degraded the service there so bad to the point that the 512 runs as if there was still no ROW constructed at many points during the day.
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Yes, as the TTC used say (and still does) that all their 'schedule' problems were/are caused by traffic or road works. the idea of a ROW was seized upon as the solution. Now they have an almost complete ROW on St Clair the TTC incompetence is exposed; as you say, the bunching and poor short-turn decisions are not usually the fault of others, they are the fault of the TTC "management".
 
Dates for future TTC meetings has to be approved...

It is recommended that the TTC Board:​
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1. Approve the 2023 meeting dates for the TTC Board, Audit & Risk Management Committee and Human Resources Committee as follows:​
TTC Board​
Thursday, January 19​
Tuesday, February 28​
Thursday, April 13​
Monday, May 8​
Monday, June 12​
Wednesday, July 12​
Tuesday, September 26​
Thursday, October 26​
Thursday, December 7​
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Audit & Risk Management Committee​
Monday, February 13​
Thursday, June 1​
Friday, September 15​
Friday, November 17​
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Human Resouces Committee​
Friday, February 17​
Tuesday, April 18​
Monday, November 6​
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and that the published schedule serves as notice for these meetings.​
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
careful with that or you will trigger the pole who will tell you that we need to look to what Europe does so that we can do things better crowd.
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It starts with riders who will use transits over cars. Also, traffic fines are higher than ours and if you don't pay X fine by X date, you may not see your car for a well until that fine is paid.

Quality of service goes a long way getting more riders.

A number of cities and countries are offering lower fares to get people to not only use transit, but the intercity trains as well.
 
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drum118 said:
It starts with riders who will use transits over cars. Also, traffic fines are higher than ours and if you don't pay X fine by X date, you may not see your car for a well until that fine is paid.

Quality of service goes a long way getting more riders.

A number of cities and countries are offer lower fares to get people to not only use transit, but the intercity trains as well.
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Ok whatever complaining about it here does nothing to change anything except annoy people who have to read about it all of the time. I get that you and some other people think that they do everything better in Europe but not everyone wants to hear about it all of the time.
 
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