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The TTC Board is considering a Report that notes/recommends:

"The TTC is considering a 10 day closure for the period of March 15-24, 2021 from St George station to St Andrew station,
with an early closure planned for Monday, March 15, 2021. to perform Type 3 asbestos abatements at St Patrick Station, northbound platform only."

This asbestos work is needed before they complete the 'station finishes" projects at Queen's Park and St Patrick stations.

We may actually get those tiles and panels replaced!!
 
From Transit Network Expansion at this link.

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How the Waterfront East LRT is a priority before the Waterfront West LRT continues to mystify me, but we live in a city where everything transit related is a** backwards so somehow it makes sense to them. The stupidity in providing transit for future population, instead of the current population continues.
 
How the Waterfront East LRT is a priority before the Waterfront West LRT continues to mystify me, but we live in a city where everything transit related is a** backwards so somehow it makes sense to them. The stupidity in providing transit for future population, instead of the current population continues.
I mean most of waterfront west is mostly duplicating services. Most of the people living along that corridor already have a streetcar line within walking distance. Also the first phase of waterfront east serves areas where people currently live not the portlands. Waterfront east also has more substantial work to be done at union and queen's quay that will take longer than waterfront west so best to start it asap,
 
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How the Waterfront East LRT is a priority before the Waterfront West LRT continues to mystify me, but we live in a city where everything transit related is a** backwards so somehow it makes sense to them. The stupidity in providing transit for future population, instead of the current population continues.
I think in the documents it states that because Metrolinx is in charge of what's being built at Exhibition for the Ontario Line and LSW, its difficult to make concrete plans for the connection to Dufferin Gate and beyond.
 
How the Waterfront East LRT is a priority before the Waterfront West LRT continues to mystify me, but we live in a city where everything transit related is a** backwards so somehow it makes sense to them. The stupidity in providing transit for future population, instead of the current population continues.
The East was approved before the West, with the west being cheaper to do it. Have said that, there was a plan in the 90's that call for the west to be done first, but the recommendation was file away as DOA and only learn of it back in 2008.

The west requires Lake Shore Blvd to be 100% rebuilt to allow an ROW in the centre for the streetcar extension as well shifting the whole corridor north, especially for the eastbound lanes. There is now talk that the off ramp from the Gardiner for the eastbound lanes may be rebuilt to allow a true west connection over the Humber River that will allow the streetcar line to remain 100% on the Lake Shore in both direction than the current plan. Until that is looked at in detail as well cost, Lake Shore is on hold. A new ROW will be built from the current Humber Loop on the Lake Shore to the west of Park Lawn. An EA will have to take place for the new ROW.

The east extension will see more riders than the west and will be servicing a totally new area with higher density than the west, except for Park Lawn area.
 
Glad to see the Dufferin/Ex link on here. Its often glossed over.
Cut-n-paste from the Transit Network Expansion report...

The Exhibition Loop-Dufferin Gate Loop project would build a new streetcar connection between Exhibition Loop, on the north side of Exhibition Place, and Dufferin Gate Loop, on Dufferin Street north of the Dufferin Gate of Exhibition Place. This connection would allow new through streetcar service to be operated between Union Station, Dufferin Street, King Street, The Queensway, and farther west; and would provide future connections to any higher-capacity streetcar line that is built along the Gardiner Expressway/Lake Shore Boulevard West corridor. The project is being coordinated with Metrolinx’s plans for an Exhibition Station on the Ontario Line and is currently on hold until further details of the Ontario Line station, and other initiatives in the Exhibition Place and Ontario Place areas, are available.
 
I think in the documents it states that because Metrolinx is in charge of what's being built at Exhibition for the Ontario Line and LSW, its difficult to make concrete plans for the connection to Dufferin Gate and beyond.
Very well true, that saga is just a never ending joke that has been going on for years.


The East was approved before the West, with the west being cheaper to do it. Have said that, there was a plan in the 90's that call for the west to be done first, but the recommendation was file away as DOA and only learn of it back in 2008.

The west requires Lake Shore Blvd to be 100% rebuilt to allow an ROW in the centre for the streetcar extension as well shifting the whole corridor north, especially for the eastbound lanes. There is now talk that the off ramp from the Gardiner for the eastbound lanes may be rebuilt to allow a true west connection over the Humber River that will allow the streetcar line to remain 100% on the Lake Shore in both direction than the current plan. Until that is looked at in detail as well cost, Lake Shore is on hold. A new ROW will be built from the current Humber Loop on the Lake Shore to the west of Park Lawn. An EA will have to take place for the new ROW.

The east extension will see more riders than the west and will be servicing a totally new area with higher density than the west, except for Park Lawn area.
Has it really been decided that Lake Shore will be the route used past Colborne Lodge Drive? Last i heard they were still considering either using Lake Shore all the way through, or connecting the Queensway ROW via Colboune Lodge.

In any case, there's no reason that section of the EA shouldnt have already been completed by now. If the city wasnt dragging their feet on that, the only section we'd be waiting on is the Exhibition design work
 
TTC Board to discuss options for continued service along Scarborough Rapid Transit corridor

Feb. 4, 2021

Next Wed., Feb. 10, the TTC Board will discuss the future of Line 3, the Scarborough Rapid Transit system (SRT). The issue of whether or not to proceed with the life extension of the SRT is of particular significance given the SRT's trains are 10 years past their design life.

"Our priority is to provide safe, reliable and accessible service to everyone. The SRT trains have already been overhauled to maintain their safety," said TTC CEO Rick Leary. "The SRT trains have been in service for 35 years - 10 years past their design life. We know it has become increasingly difficult to maintain reliable service on Line 3 due to the age of the vehicles and obsolescence of critical parts."

Today, in advance of next week's Board meeting, a report was released which outlines three options for interim service until the Scarborough Subway Extension (SSE) is opened in 2030. These options are:

1. Another investment to overhaul the SRT vehicles coupled with increased bus service;
2. Decommissioning the SRT with new, replacement hybrid buses operating along the route until the SSE is completed; and
3. Decommissioning the SRT with a combination of new and currently owned replacement buses operating along the route until the SSE is completed.

It is critical to ensure TTC customers, local communities and stakeholders are well informed of the state of the SRT as well as the various risks and challenges of operating the SRT until the scheduled opening of the SSE. The report also reviews the investment required for each of the outlined options until the anticipated 2030 completion of the SSE with both bus replacement options being more affordable than extending the life of the SRT trains.

The TTC is recommending the Board approve further review of Options 2 and 3.

- Option 1 is the highest cost option with life cycle cost of $522.4 million and with high risk of not achieving the required service reliability, Option 1 is not recommended for further consideration.
- Option 2 and Option 3 are both low risk options for achieving the required service reliability and with lower life cycle costs of $374.8 million for Option 2 and $357.4 million for Option 3. Furthermore, both are low risk options from a cost, schedule, and deliverability perspective and therefore are recommended for further consideration.

Pending TTC Board approval, customer and community engagement will be undertaken in order to collect input to inform routing for bus services in the SRT corridor. The aim of the consultation will be to ensure a high quality transit service will be planned and communicated well in advance of any changes to the SRT. The TTC will coordinate with the City of Toronto's Transportation Services to develop priority measures to optimize the bus service along the corridor.

As well, the report to the Board also details consideration for the TTC's mandate to be completely accessible by 2025. Four of the six SRT stations do not currently meet AODA requirements. The complete bus replacement option supports the TTC's goal of making public transit accessible to all by running AODA-compliant, all-accessible buses on the line beginning in 2023.

To read this report visit at: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ttc.ca%2FAbout_the_TTC%2FCommission_reports_and_information%2FCommission_meetings%2F2021%2FFebruary_10%2FReports%2F9_SRT_Life_Extension_Project_Options_Analysis.pdf&data=04%7C01%7C%7C1de93ba96db14fc3140808d8c939c6a5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637480597263361124%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=s2VeEjC1rwykuqb7dv3Gns7y3BZdUwSET7i4wGqFfPQ%3D&reserved=0

Frequently Asked Questions

I am a SRT transit customer, how will my trip/journey change if I am now on a bus?

We expect that bus trips may generally take longer than the SRT. However, we expect many of the updated routes will save our customers the transfer in their journey and offer more reliable service.

The bus routing options are to be determined, pending TTC Board review, and will involve public input and detailed analysis of travel times and overall customer experience. This will include potential improvements in the corridor to keep travel times as efficient and reliable as possible.

What are the key challenges to keep the SRT running safely to 2030?

There are a number of challenges in keeping the SRT running until 2030. The key challenges include:

- Costly: The overhaul to keep the SRT safely running until 2030 is estimated to cost over $520 million, which is unfunded. This is a bare minimum and would not guarantee reliable service.
- Aging vehicles: The SRT vehicles were designed to be retired in 2010. They are 10 years past their design life of 25 years.
- Maintenance reliability: The SRT vehicles are becoming increasingly more difficult to maintain, reliability continues to degrade, and parts are becoming more difficult to find.
- Service reliability: The SRT's service was reduced by 50% from peak in the Fall of 2020 due to technical issues. There are limited spare trains, which are unable to maintain reliable service standards and continue to make service reliability vulnerable.
- Inclement weather: The SRT is susceptible to inclement weather including overheating in the summer and service suspension in the winter due to snow and ice.
- Accessibility: All TTC stations and vehicles must be AODA compliant by 2025. Lawrence East, Ellesmere, Midland and McCowan stations are currently not barrier-free.

How many buses are needed to carry as many people as the SRT carries in peak hours?

Overall, it is estimated that an additional 75 buses per hour will travel into Kennedy Station based on today's ridership levels. It is estimated there will be up to 86 buses per hour by 2031.

The replacement service is planned to operate better than one bus per minute, with the aim to replace more than Line 3 Scarborough's current peak capacity. To do this, the TTC would need approximately 60 additional buses if the bus replacement service option is adopted.

Will the additional buses create added congestion and pollution?

The TTC will be purchasing hybrid buses in a commitment to greening our fleet and some of these vehicles will operate in this corridor. These eco-friendly vehicles incorporate hybrid technology and run off power generated onboard that is fueled by diesel engines. Though the vehicles are still using fuel to produce energy, they consume up to 30 per cent less than other non-hybrid buses.

I don't use transit. How will my drive along the corridor be impacted?

There may be increased bus volume in the corridor, which may impact commuting time and residential access. The City and the TTC will be doing investigations as well as outreach and consultations, to determine impacts to businesses, drivers and residents.
 
I don't use transit. How will my drive along the corridor be impacted?

There may be increased bus volume in the corridor, which may impact commuting time and residential access. The City and the TTC will be doing investigations as well as outreach and consultations, to determine impacts to businesses, drivers and residents.

This one legitimately made me laugh (sadly). Guess the suburbs will have to learn to share the road after all.
 
The East was approved before the West, with the west being cheaper to do it. Have said that, there was a plan in the 90's that call for the west to be done first, but the recommendation was file away as DOA and only learn of it back in 2008.

The west requires Lake Shore Blvd to be 100% rebuilt to allow an ROW in the centre for the streetcar extension as well shifting the whole corridor north, especially for the eastbound lanes. There is now talk that the off ramp from the Gardiner for the eastbound lanes may be rebuilt to allow a true west connection over the Humber River that will allow the streetcar line to remain 100% on the Lake Shore in both direction than the current plan. Until that is looked at in detail as well cost, Lake Shore is on hold. A new ROW will be built from the current Humber Loop on the Lake Shore to the west of Park Lawn. An EA will have to take place for the new ROW.

The east extension will see more riders than the west and will be servicing a totally new area with higher density than the west, except for Park Lawn area.
I thought west was delayed because of the Ontario Line? No?
 
I thought west was delayed because of the Ontario Line? No?
There is 2 west extension with the Exhibition to Dufferin delay caused by OL. The other extension west of Dufferin is delay due to lack of funds as well looking at rebuilding the eastbound off ramp so the westbound lanes and streetcar line can be built over the Humber River.

I have no idea what is taking place as well who is looking after the Humber River change. If the streetcar line can be built over the Humber River, it will reduce the travel time for riders. I don't know how TTC is planning service for either options, but riders will most likely have to transfer at Park Lawn new loop. If service remains on part of the Queensway Line as plan, riders east of the Park Lawn Loop will have to look at the eastbound cars to make sure they are getting on the right car.
 

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