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W. K. Lis

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Fun Fact: The TTC has a $26 billion capital repair backlog...

Police forced to close stretch of Bloor Street to regular vehicle traffic as pedestrians flood street to board shuttle buses

https://www.cp24.com/news/few-hours-before-rush-hour-subway-shutdown-on-line-2-can-be-fixed-ttc-1.4778139

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We need the return of the 138 South Kingsway bus.*

There should be a shuttle bus between Jane Station and The Queensway. So that people can use the 501 to bypass the closure.

By 2021, hopefully Line 5 could be used to bypass closures on Line 2. But that's still a couple of years off.

* The 138 South Kingsway bus was cancelled due to the PC government of Mike Harris in 1996. See link.​
 

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It is very unfortunate that an incident at Vincent has the potential to take down both Jane-Keele and Keele-Ossington.
 

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^ is the ford government "for these people"?
I think they forgot to include the asterisk on People that says "Please note that "The People" does not include gays, students, transit users, the poor, residents of Toronto, the city of Hamilton, and others who Dear Leader may decide he dislikes at any given time"
 

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It was a zoo at Jane this morning. Police did an excellent job but a single solid line of buses just doesn’t move that fast, especially when peak load boarding.
We really need to create temporary bus lanes on Bloor or Yonge during these shutdowns. Won't solve the problem, but it will at least allow the busses to move, which should help clear the crowds a bit faster. Although obviously a second subway line across the core would be the ideal solution.
 

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We really need to create temporary bus lanes on Bloor or Yonge during these shutdowns. Won't solve the problem, but it will at least allow the busses to move, which should help clear the crowds a bit faster. Although obviously a second subway line across the core would be the ideal solution.
No kidding - TTC/police/transportation need to have plans for these events instead of letting the chips fall wherever it did. The sh*tshow is exactly why I turned around - I didn't even bother with the shuttle buses knowing how useless they'd be.

I thought I heard that the police closed a part of Bloor to buses only during the shut-down.
On an ad-hoc basis due to pedestrian volume - not as a unified response to speed up the shuttle bus system.

AoD
 

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We really need to create temporary bus lanes on Bloor or Yonge during these shutdowns. Won't solve the problem, but it will at least allow the busses to move, which should help clear the crowds a bit faster. Although obviously a second subway line across the core would be the ideal solution.
We need, a few things to be able to manage emergency or scheduled shutdowns of subways better.

Redundancy is obviously the highest ideal, but the furthest off from happening.

That said, as interim measures:

1) TTC Station Collectors/Staff need to have a one-button option that stops people entering any 'closed station, so that people can safely leave the station in a timely way.
2) We need Bloor/Yonge etc. shut down within the affected area to traffic, buses given full priority, including for any looping action required.
3) We need at least some dedicated artics. Based on crush loads, it takes about 10 conventional buses to replace one train; a shutdown impairing the equivalent of 12 trains is 120 buses minimum; that's only if they can simultaneously load/unload them all. Its a near impossibility. Artics make that slightly easier.
4) Zones where buses are to stop must be cleared of parked vehicles, tows can be friendly (no fine) to the nearest legal spot; and drivers told where there vehicle is left by TTC/Police etc.

As medium term measures:

1) one or more bus garages need to be closer to the core. The desire has been for suburban sites that can be all one level and cheap(er). We need to understand the deadhead distance to scramble buses into the core of the City if there's a problem make this untenable. With electric buses, a 2-level or even 3-level bus garage can be realistically considered.

2) Strongly consider installing more cross-overs on Line 2, the distance on Line 1 (Yonge side) is fairly close to every second station, Line 2 has large gaps, Woodbine to west of Chester; Chester to St. George, St. George to east of Keele. Adding one intermediate location to each of those gaps would do wonders, cutting down the number of buses required and walking distances.

3) Reconstructing sidewalks To/From and on Bloor; and Yonge to be able to handle evacuation level pedestrian loads, or at least come closer. Some sidewalks are barely 2M to/from and 3M on said roads. 5M Minimum needs to be the rule.
 

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Redundancy is problem with the Ottawa's Confederation Line. Redundancy is a problem with the TTC. The fiscal conservatives (not just the Progressive Conservatives, but any lower case "c" conservatives) at Queen's Park and Toronto's City Hall don't want redundancy. They don't want to spend the needed money, as an insurance against problems such as derailments, suicides, for breakdowns.

The Gardiner Expressway is an example of building highways without a redundancy of a breakdown lane. New highways today have the redundancy of lanes that can be used for highway repairs or breakdowns, but the governments refuse to put in redundancy for public transit.
 

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TTC enhanced Capital Budget is out, report here:


Key recommendations below:

A.

1.$1.50 billion of the total estimated cost of the $4.26 billion required to initiate the Line 1 Capacity Enhancement program.

2. $817millionof the total estimated cost of the $3.92 billion required to initiate the Line 2 Capacity Enhancement program.

3.$623 million of the total estimated cost of the $877 million required to continue implementation of Line 2 Automatic Train Control (ATC) Re-signalling project.

4. $158 million to fully fund Other Subway Infrastructure state-of-good-repair projects

B.

1. $458 million, representing approximately 1/3of the10-year cost for 62 trains,to replace the legacy fleet of T1 trains on Line 2 required for delivery in 2026 through 2030, and which will require an additional $122 million to fund the 1/3cost between 2030 and 2034.

2. $165million, representing approximately 1/3of the total estimated cost of $494 million towards procurement of 18 trains to meet growth in ridership demand on Line 1 required for delivery in 2026-2027.

3. Subject to the approval of Recommendation1.b.1, and in lieu of the previously planned T1 life extension overhaul (LEO), that $74 million be allocated for the state-of-good-repair preventative maintenance of T1 vehicles to ensure they remain safe and reliable until 2030when they will be fully replaced at end-of-life by the 62 new trains.

4. Subject to the approval of Recommendations 1.b.1 and1.b.3that $474 million approved in the 2020-2029 Capital Budget & Plan for the T1 life extension overhaul (LEO) program provided to prolong the life of the T1 fleet by 10 years beyond its 30-year design life due to lack of available funding be reinvested in the purchase of vehicles.

5. $772million, with $686 million representing approximately 1/3of the estimated 10-year cost, towards the procurement of 614 of the 1,575 buses required;$64million for eBus charging system infrastructure;and $22million to fully fund the next 4 years of Wheel-Trans bus procurements or 232of the 498buses required.

6. The remaining $140million,representing approximately 1/3of the total cost for the procurement of 60 new streetcars required to meet projected growth on streetcar routes until 2026.
 

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1. $458 million, representing approximately 1/3of the10-year cost for 62 trains,to replace the legacy fleet of T1 trains on Line 2 required for delivery in 2026 through 2030, and which will require an additional $122 million to fund the 1/3cost between 2030 and 2034.

2. $165million, representing approximately 1/3of the total estimated cost of $494 million towards procurement of 18 trains to meet growth in ridership demand on Line 1 required for delivery in 2026-2027.

5. $772million, with $686 million representing approximately 1/3of the estimated 10-year cost, towards the procurement of 614 of the 1,575 buses required;$64million for eBus charging system infrastructure;and $22million to fully fund the next 4 years of Wheel-Trans bus procurements or 232of the 498buses required.

6. The remaining $140million,representing approximately 1/3of the total cost for the procurement of 60 new streetcars required to meet projected growth on streetcar routes until 2026.
My guess is that the 1/3 numbers here mean the city is going to push for the remaining 2/3 to be Federal/Provincial funding, given past funding agreements being split that way.

As for point #6, OMG YES. After the last few days I was really worried they weren't going to put any money towards new streetcars.
 

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My guess is that the 1/3 numbers here mean the city is going to push for the remaining 2/3 to be Federal/Provincial funding, given past funding agreements being split that way.

As for point #6, OMG YES. After the last few days I was really worried they weren't going to put any money towards new streetcars.
It's only 60 though. We need way more than that.
 

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My guess is that the 1/3 numbers here mean the city is going to push for the remaining 2/3 to be Federal/Provincial funding, given past funding agreements being split that way.
Of course, but there is no guarantee either of them will contribute or that they will agree on the top (or even the same) priorities.
 
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