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innsertnamehere said:
Those two areas don't possess similar commuter patterns however. Chicago is a lot more sprawling than Toronto - and is a larger city, so it inevitably takes up a much larger area. The GGH is a general urban region, but many of the population centres within it act largely independantly. Racine on the other hand is very much in the commuter belt of Chicago. There aren't many people going into Toronto for work from St Catharines, but from Gary, or Kenosha? Plenty.

For example, 614 people who live in Racine County work in Cook County (Chicago). 194,000 people live in Racine.

Cambridge has 340 people working in Toronto, out of 134,000. Racine is about double the commuting rate, and is 20km further away from downtown chicago than Cambridge is from Toronto.
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Streety McCarface said:
Although this isn't really the thread for this, if those numbers for Cambridge are true, then there is absolutely no business case for a Cambridge GO extension.
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Agreed not the right thread for this, but now I'm curious considering I support a Cambridge GO Rail extension. I'm looking at numbers that say 1,130 people commute to TO from Cambridge, not 340. Granted I'm not good at StatsCan's site. Also says another 1,950 work in Sauga. Combined I think that's reasonable for GO rail, at least relative to the commuting patterns for other cities that are getting considerably more than a couple trains per day (what Cambridge would realistically see). Pretty sure 340 is people who live in Toronto but work in Cambridge.
 
innsertnamehere said:
This is misleading as municipal boundaries are rather arbitrary. Toronto has a large municipal boundary, so it's got a "large" population.

If you measure based on the metro area, Toronto is way smaller than Chicago. The order of metro size goes Mexico City - NYC - LA - Chicago - Dallas Fort Worth - Houston - Toronto. Chicago is around 9.5 million, Toronto is a little over 6 million.
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If we use the population within city limits, then Ottawa has more people than Washington, DC.

However, most of Ottawa's area within the new city limits is agricultural, which cannot be said for the District of Columbia.
 
innsertnamehere said:
If you measure based on the metro area, Toronto is way smaller than Chicago. The order of metro size goes Mexico City - NYC - LA - Chicago - Dallas Fort Worth - Houston - Toronto. Chicago is around 9.5 million, Toronto is a little over 6 million.
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Only if you cherry pick the numbers.

A population of Chicago that get's you 9.5 million people (2015) is the Chicago Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA). Which is a massive agglomeration, covering 14 counties in 3 states. A total of 28,120 km² - an area almost as big as Belgium (population 11.4 million), and 33% larger than smaller countries like Isreal (8.8 million) and El Salvador. Is Isreal a city? Is Belgium a city.

If you want to compare to a similar area in Toronto, you get the greater Greater Golden Horseshoe, with 9.2 million (2016) in an area of 31,562 km², which is a slightly smaller population (300,000) in a slightly larger area (3,4000 km²).

Pretty similar. Smaller, a bit - for now. Way smaller - no way.

Interestingly the Chicago MSA shrunk by about 250,000 between 2011 and 2015 while the Greater Golden Horseshoe increased by nearly 500,000 between 2011 and 2016.

I'll let you do the math.
 
aquateam said:
Nope, not by an employee. By a volunteer high school student. Imagine some snotty 14 year old shoving you into a packed train. Enjoy ;)
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Happens all the time on the buses and streetcars. They do it without looking, since they have an iDevice in their hands, and they musn't look away, or they die. They then guard the doors so you can't get out. Fortunately "snotty" is right, and they get pushed out of the way because they also have brain-control buds stuck in their ears, and have no sense of free will. And thus they get shoved out of the way. You can only ask nicely so many times before you're gonna miss your stop.
 
The TTC wants to completely revamp its retail options

https://www.blogto.com/city/2018/02/ttc-wants-completely-revamp-its-retail-options/

New Retail Strategy Report: https://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Co...Febrary_15/Reports/13_New_Retail_Strategy.pdf

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- Anyone whose taken public transit knows that those little newsstands inside TTC stations can be a lifesaver if you're in a hurry, but they don't offer much beyond the most basic items, and they haven't changed a whole lot since the 1980s. Now the TTC is looking to switch it up and expand and diversify its shops and stalls over the next few years.

- The new Market Shops network is part of the TTC's overall strategy to revamp retail inside the stations. It includes suggestions like short-term retail operations such as food trucks, pop-ups, sampling services, click & collect services, virtual stores, and automated retailers. The TTC hopes that all of this new fangled retail technology will make for a much better customer experience

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nfitz said:
Only if you cherry pick the numbers.

A population of Chicago that get's you 9.5 million people (2015) is the Chicago Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA). Which is a massive agglomeration, covering 14 counties in 3 states. A total of 28,120 km² - an area almost as big as Belgium (population 11.4 million), and 33% larger than smaller countries like Isreal (8.8 million) and El Salvador. Is Isreal a city? Is Belgium a city.

If you want to compare to a similar area in Toronto, you get the greater Greater Golden Horseshoe, with 9.2 million (2016) in an area of 31,562 km², which is a slightly smaller population (300,000) in a slightly larger area (3,4000 km²).

Pretty similar. Smaller, a bit - for now. Way smaller - no way.

Interestingly the Chicago MSA shrunk by about 250,000 between 2011 and 2015 while the Greater Golden Horseshoe increased by nearly 500,000 between 2011 and 2016.

I'll let you do the math.
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The City of London (England) has a population of 9,401. Greater London has a population of 8,787,892. Urban London has a population of 9,787,426. Metro London has a population of 14,040,163. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London
 
Leo_Chan said:
The City of, Greater, Urban, and Metro are just words that mean the same thing to me :p
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London is home to the same place that struggles with what it's country is (UK is a country but so is England). Boundaries are simply something they like to define in numerous seemingly similar ways.
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
I just want to see all retail options swept away from Y+B station. Also, no waiting, no fundraising, no amplified subway musicians at said station either.

AoD
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Some of the retail locations other than Y & B are in need of an overhaul. Anyone who has been through Warden recently will know how run down the retail situation is. You have dollar stores, dollar store/dry cleaners and 2 patty shops (only one of which is any good).

The problem is that the locations have poor HVAC, high rent, uneven traffic and have not been updated since 1968. If the TTC really wants retail to succeed they need to gut the retail and renovate to fit the new occupants of the space.
 
Richard White said:
Some of the retail locations other than Y & B are in need of an overhaul. Anyone who has been through Warden recently will know how run down the retail situation is. You have dollar stores, dollar store/dry cleaners and 2 patty shops (only one of which is any good).

The problem is that the locations have poor HVAC, high rent, uneven traffic and have not been updated since 1968. If the TTC really wants retail to succeed they need to gut the retail and renovate to fit the new occupants of the space.
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TTC will not touch Warden since its to be rebuilt along the lines of Victoria Park Station, but no funds to do it at this time. There is a plan for rebuilding the station. It has to be done before 2025 to meet the accessibly requirement.

TTC has also has a chance to add washrooms to some stations as well.
 
Richard White said:
Some of the retail locations other than Y & B are in need of an overhaul. Anyone who has been through Warden recently will know how run down the retail situation is. You have dollar stores, dollar store/dry cleaners and 2 patty shops (only one of which is any good).

The problem is that the locations have poor HVAC, high rent, uneven traffic and have not been updated since 1968. If the TTC really wants retail to succeed they need to gut the retail and renovate to fit the new occupants of the space.
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The issue isn’t the type and nature of retail in the case of Y+B - it is how the location basically imped traffic flow within the station.

AoD
 
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