Kyle Campbell
Active Member
Isn't that kind of like curing the disease by killing the patient? The burden would just fall onto the also overcapacity road infrastructure.
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TTC: Other Items (catch all)
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Isn't that kind of like curing the disease by killing the patient? The burden would just fall onto the also overcapacity road infrastructure.
Leo_Chan
Senior Member
Another analogy is the landfill overflowing, so you throw out the garbage in the city
Admiral Beez
Superstar
You use the higher peak prices to invest in capacity increases, allowing you to later reduce prices as supply increases.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
It is highly unlikely you can price it high enough to use it as a way to get meaningful capacity increases.
AoD
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Meanwhile, the Star complains the TTC doesn’t have a good plan to grow ridership.
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/con...wth-strategy-lacklustre-requires-funding.html
Which is it? Is the TTC crowded or under-utilized and in need of a ridership growth plan?
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/con...wth-strategy-lacklustre-requires-funding.html
Which is it? Is the TTC crowded or under-utilized and in need of a ridership growth plan?
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
It's not just about the subways, and ridership growth is about providing additional services to meet demand. It's not growing ridership for the sake of it.
AoD
AoD
rbt
Senior Member
We seem to struggle for money to order buses, streetcars, and build subways. Always more plans than funds available.
Raising the prices by a dime above normal increases is enough to pay for about 100 buses (capital, not operating) or 15 streetcars.
A $1 downtown surcharge during peak periods only would likely fund $1B or so in capital. That's a lot of trams or perhaps platform screen doors and more exits for increased subway reliability.
TransitBart
Senior Member
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...es-takes-a-toll-on-ttc-staff/article37954198/
Terrible in any workplace. Terrible for the public.
Terrible in any workplace. Terrible for the public.
Northern Light
Superstar
We don't surcharge 401 drivers for widening the highway.
If we did, there would be ample resources and room to raise transit prices if so desired.
A base toll equal to a cash TTC fare ($3.25 per direction, for the typical commuter) on every highway would raise no less than 1.5B per year. (there are 500,000 cars using 401 daily, in Toronto, alone)
Alternatively, a point of provincial sales tax would raise close to 3B per year; enough to fund 2B in new infrastructure spending, while beginning to reduce debt.
Both of those strike me as better alternatives to a higher TTC price point in the near term.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
I wonder if legally assisted death for those without physical symptoms would reduce subway suicides.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/lif...to-those-with-mental-illness/article34753182/
I'm here in Hong Kong, and most stations have floor to ceiling barriers mentioned in the article. In addition to preventing people from intentionally and accidentally falling onto the tracks, the barriers prevent platform litter from causing fires on the tracks, and dramatically reduce the noise and dust on the platform associated with train ops. Now, I did see a few stations with only half height barriers, so a motivated person could presumably try to hurdle the barrier.
rbt
Senior Member
If I was king of Ontario that would change; not just for expansion but maintenance (direct and indirect like police and healthcare for accidents, asthma contribution, etc.) too.
smallspy
Senior Member
And considering something like 95% of riders use pre-paid fare media, how to you plan to implement this?
Dan
Toronto, Ont.
Streety McCarface
Senior Member
Although I am not in favour of this proposal, in addition to a token, one must add an extra dollar as a surcharge. Monthly passes are expensive enough as is and a peak period surcharge could increase the pass by say 5-10$, but it includes unlimited peak period travel. This makes the option viable for commuters and gives them the incentive to use public transit more often.
Richard White
Senior Member
I say we triple the cost of the Metropass. $450 dollars a month!
