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TheTigerMaster said:
Also, more factors restrict peak point capacity than just train size and headways. I mentioned last week that’s it’s doubtful that Line 1 can handle 36,000 pphpd, without major station rebuilds.

Once (if) 36,000 pphpd is achieved on Line 1, Bloor-Yonge Station is going to be a huge pedestrian flow nightmare. The Line 2 platforms are extremely crowded at present. With ATO on Line 1, up to 28% more passengers will be transferring from Line 1 to Line 2, but Line 2 frequencies will stay constant. The result will be huge overcrowding on the Line 2 platforms.

We have absolutely no plan in place to deal with it.
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This is exactly it.

The TTC's capacity numbers for the T1s and TRs are quite a bit lower than the absolute maximum capacity that can be fitted in the trains. This is because if you fill a subway train to the gills, you are going to deal with longer dwell times at stations, poorer passenger flow on the platforms and thus a lower train throughput through the system. That's why they say things like the rated capacity of the Yonge Line is 36,000pphpd. Realistically it can - and does - exceed that, but you don't want to be doing it for very long or else the whole system will bog down.

For reference - the TTC says that the rated capacity of a T1 6-car subway train is about 1000 people. And yet, if they try really hard, you can fit over 2200 people on that same train. You just don't want to do it for very long or else that supposed 2 minute 21 second headway widens and widens.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
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TheTigerMaster said:
The TTC was minutes away from evacuating Bloor-Yonge Station due to crowding during last weeks delays. Part of me wishes they did have to evacuate the station. Nothing would better impart the importance of the DRL to these politicians, than a highly-visible crisis of their own creating.
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I thought same, but worry not, it's a matter of time until that does happen. But even then, will 'they' 'get it?' There's a much simpler place to start, albeit with only minimal relief for the subway, but relief none-the-less, and the effect is geometric once the subway is at capacity: King Streetcar Line.

They can immediately declare: "We realize that we have acute overloading issues on the subway, and this will take time to fix, we're taking a new look at hurrying that along (yeah, fat chance), but in the interim, we're immediately moving the King Project from pilot to reality. We're examining the implementation of a sophisticated and totally integrated control of intersection signal and headway dispatch and control system starting in the core pilot section of King, but with implications for the whole line.".

It's needed whether the "Pilot" is declared a success or not. And it's needed now. And it immediately signals that progress is being made.

What a concept...
 
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steveintoronto said:
I thought same, but worry not, it's a matter of time until that does happen. But even then, will 'they' 'get it?'
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Imagine if there was a fire in the station when all the crowding happened? People would have died either by trampling or from the fire.

The station should have been closed sooner.

Based on the picture the station was already well above fire code in terms of occupancy limits. How they kept it open as long as they did was mindboggling.
 
Richard White said:
Imagine if there was a fire in the station when all the crowding happened? People would have died either by trampling or from the fire.

The station should have been closed sooner.

Based on the picture the station was already well above fire code in terms of occupancy limits. How they kept it open as long as they did was mindboggling.
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Does the TTC have the ability and manpower to stop people from going into the station? By bypassing trains and officers closing the entrances?

This actually makes me wonder how the TTC would close station entrances that are stairs down from the streets. Do they block off the entrances at tunnel level, or do the stair access close off?
 
Leo_Chan said:
Does the TTC have the ability and manpower to stop people from going into the station? By bypassing trains and officers closing the entrances?
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If needed they could call TPS for assistance. They would bypass trains and lock the doors. Yonge Station would likely be evacuated via the automatic entrance and the Yonge Line via Roy Square and the main entrance on different platforms to avoid crowding.

Presto gates would likely be locked open and the station deemed exit only.
 
Richard White said:
If needed they could call TPS for assistance. They would bypass trains and lock the doors. Yonge Station would likely be evacuated via the automatic entrance and the Yonge Line via Roy Square and the main entrance on different platforms to avoid crowding.

Presto gates would likely be locked open and the station deemed exit only.
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Then the gates will be accidentally locked closed and people would climb over or break the gates. At this point, that'd probably be the case. :oops:
 
Richard White said:
If needed they could call TPS for assistance. They would bypass trains and lock the doors. Yonge Station would likely be evacuated via the automatic entrance and the Yonge Line via Roy Square and the main entrance on different platforms to avoid crowding.

Presto gates would likely be locked open and the station deemed exit only.
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It would be easier to lock the faregates closed (one-way, exit only)
 
Sandpit said:
It would be easier to lock the faregates closed (one-way, exit only)
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Close the gates and nobody exit the station. The paddles need to remain in the open position for people to exit.

Can you exit through a door that is locked and closed? Same principal with presto gates.

You need to lock them open and have personnel at the doors doing crowd control.
 
drum118 said:
All of the Queensway ROW is 100% done, with bracket support added to the support poles east of Windermere, but missing overhead as well power line. Poles and brackets are missing west of Windermere Ave to Humber Loop. Construction barriers on the Humber Bridge were being remove with only the eastbound ones to be remove. The last westbound barrier was being removed when I drove by.
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I finally drove the route this weekend. They are using side poles similar to Queens Quay so presumably an emergency vehicle could use the lane. However they looked a lot more utilitarian (i.e. cheaper, more industrial) than the Queens Quay ones.

Have they debated if 66A would use this so the platform can be used by the bus as well?
 
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