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drum118 said:
$600, 000 spread is close to 30% lower than the spread between bids. CRCE is the only other bidder who has done TTC work and were slow doing so that I know of. With Sanscon doing most of TTC work close to since 2005 that I know of, they know the end and out how to do TTC work fasters than others.

What is interesting is the bid price and contract award value with Sanscon still well be low it while the other are more close to it being above it. They may left money on the table in need of work with is common when one needs work for slow time or keep their key personal busy.

Based on the dated posted for this work here in the past, I wasn't expecting to see a December 31, 2027 completion date as noted above.
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Just to refresh our memories of their work on Military Trail Road see: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2023/ia/bgrd/backgroundfile-237381.pdf They were also the main contractor on the amazingly delayed project on Wellington Street a year or so earlier.
 
DSC said:
Just to refresh our memories of their work on Military Trail Road see: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2023/ia/bgrd/backgroundfile-237381.pdf They were also the main contractor on the amazingly delayed project on Wellington Street a year or so earlier.
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Cannot speak to Military Trail Road, but the city help to delay Wellington work. Not every contract will run smooth for various reason, but Sanscon has done more work than others that puts them in the lime line like Toronto Hydro who are known to be late most of the time as well Guild.

As someone who has photograph a lot of TTC work, very rare I have seen issues with Sanscon compared to others ones doing the work. Some issues were beyond their control to TTC not having trackwork ready for them.
 
drum118 said:
Cannot speak to Military Trail Road, but the city help to delay Wellington work. Not every contract will run smooth for various reason, but Sanscon has done more work than others that puts them in the lime line like Toronto Hydro who are known to be late most of the time as well Guild.

As someone who has photograph a lot of TTC work, very rare I have seen issues with Sanscon compared to others ones doing the work. Some issues were beyond their control to TTC not having trackwork ready for them.
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I have seen them produce lots of deficiencies on their jobs, more than one a TTC job.

I can tell you based on my contacts in the City, they are not well liked and many staff are exasperated that Sanscon hasn't been banned from bidding.

I'll go so far as to say, I'm genuinely surprised you haven't seen more issues w/their work.
 
Anyone know who the contractor is for doing Russell yard rebuilt??? Who did Roncesvalles yard???
 
Access to TTC’s Union Station subway changing this New Year’s Eve

Dec. 27, 2024

The way TTC customers access the subway after New Year’s Eve celebrations on the waterfront will be different this year.

The change supports a City of Toronto initiative to improve safety at Union Station by restricting access to the interior – a move the City hopes will reduce the crowding and congestion seen in the two previous years.

TTC customers seeking access to the subway station will have to enter through the Brookfield Place doors on Bay St., south of Front St. The City and Toronto Police will monitor access and customer flow through these doors to prevent interior crowding.

If the TTC station becomes overcrowded, customer flow will be managed from outside, potentially requiring customers to line up on Bay Street before being admitted.

As a result, the TTC advises customers who plan on attending celebrations in the central waterfront area to find alternatives to Union Station. These options include using other Line 1 stations such as St. Andrew, Osgoode, King and Queen.

Alternatively, satellite locations are being set up by the City that offer secondary events and a great view of the fireworks show.

The TTC is FREE ALL NIGHT and will have extra bus, subway and streetcar service to get you safely to and from all event locations.

For a full list of our New Year’s Eve service, visit https://www.ttc.ca/riding-the-ttc/Updates/Ride-the-TTC-for-free-on-New-Years-Eve

Alternatives to the Central Waterfront include City events at:

Sherbourne Common, 61 Dockside Dr.
• Dance lessons by Dance Together Festival
• Pop-up circus performances by INCIRQUE

Toronto Music Garden, 476 Queens Quay W.
• View short films from the National Film Board of Canada projected onto the side of the Canada Malting Silos
• Pop-up circus performances by INCIRQUE
• Stage show with DJ performance by Traxx & Feels and countdown at 11:45 p.m. hosted by drag sensation Sanjina DaBish Queen

Alternative Viewing Locations for fireworks:
• Sugar Beach Park, 11 Dockside Dr.
• Harbour Square Park, 25 Queens Quay W.
• Harbourfront Centre, 235 Queens Quay W.
• HTO Park, 339 Queens Quay W.
• HTO Park West, 375 Queens Quay W.

For a full list of City events, visit www.toronto.ca/explore-enjoy/festivals-events/new-years-eve/
 
nfitz said:
Brookfield Place entrance south of Front Street? I'm blanking on which entrance this is.
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Its the connection from the Union Station Moat to Brookfield place and Union Station, right next to Bay street.
 
Northern Light said:
Its the connection from the Union Station Moat to Brookfield place and Union Station, right next to Bay street.
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Ah, that one. I'm not sure many would refer to that as a Brookfield Place entrance. Are there elevators there now?

But if from the south of Front, does that mean they are blocking off northern entrance to that fareline from the tunnel connecting Brookfield Place to the old RBC building (whatever that's called now).

Interesting move. They should just be telling people to use St. Andrews and King, and make Union exit-only.
 
drum118 said:
Access to TTC’s Union Station subway changing this New Year’s Eve

Dec. 27, 2024

The way TTC customers access the subway after New Year’s Eve celebrations on the waterfront will be different this year.

The change supports a City of Toronto initiative to improve safety at Union Station by restricting access to the interior – a move the City hopes will reduce the crowding and congestion seen in the two previous years.

TTC customers seeking access to the subway station will have to enter through the Brookfield Place doors on Bay St., south of Front St. The City and Toronto Police will monitor access and customer flow through these doors to prevent interior crowding.

If the TTC station becomes overcrowded, customer flow will be managed from outside, potentially requiring customers to line up on Bay Street before being admitted.

As a result, the TTC advises customers who plan on attending celebrations in the central waterfront area to find alternatives to Union Station. These options include using other Line 1 stations such as St. Andrew, Osgoode, King and Queen.

Alternatively, satellite locations are being set up by the City that offer secondary events and a great view of the fireworks show.

The TTC is FREE ALL NIGHT and will have extra bus, subway and streetcar service to get you safely to and from all event locations.

For a full list of our New Year’s Eve service, visit https://www.ttc.ca/riding-the-ttc/Updates/Ride-the-TTC-for-free-on-New-Years-Eve

Alternatives to the Central Waterfront include City events at:

Sherbourne Common, 61 Dockside Dr.
• Dance lessons by Dance Together Festival
• Pop-up circus performances by INCIRQUE

Toronto Music Garden, 476 Queens Quay W.
• View short films from the National Film Board of Canada projected onto the side of the Canada Malting Silos
• Pop-up circus performances by INCIRQUE
• Stage show with DJ performance by Traxx & Feels and countdown at 11:45 p.m. hosted by drag sensation Sanjina DaBish Queen

Alternative Viewing Locations for fireworks:
• Sugar Beach Park, 11 Dockside Dr.
• Harbour Square Park, 25 Queens Quay W.
• Harbourfront Centre, 235 Queens Quay W.
• HTO Park, 339 Queens Quay W.
• HTO Park West, 375 Queens Quay W.

For a full list of City events, visit www.toronto.ca/explore-enjoy/festivals-events/new-years-eve/
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Im really trying to picture how this is going to work? no one will be able to enter the subway from union directly? you have to walk past front to get in via brookfield? How is this any better?
 
generalcanada said:
Im really trying to picture how this is going to work? no one will be able to enter the subway from union directly? you have to walk past front to get in via brookfield? How is this any better?
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From the moat, so you would not go past union.

These doors:

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The intent is to have a single entry point so that TTC / Police can easily close entry if the station reaches dangerous crowding conditions.
 
Northern Light said:
From the moat, so you would not go past union.

These doors:

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The intent is to have a single entry point so that TTC / Police can easily close entry if the station reaches dangerous crowding conditions.
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Which it will. not sure if we all forgot but you cant fix this.
Funneling people into a chokepoint is just going to cause confusion
Someone said it right above. Union should just be closed and have everyone spread to all the other stations
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generalcanada said:
Someone said it right above. Union should just be closed and have everyone spread to all the other stations
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St. Andrew station is much more capacity constrained than Union.

Much smaller concourse, fewer fare gates, and less vertical circulation capacity (stairs/escalators to platforms).

I'm not sure how removing the capacity at Union wouldn't just shift the problem to a smaller station and make it that much worse.

King is also pretty constrained, particularly its principle entrance, its a bit better if you can get people to enter through the CIBC entrance/exit..........

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I agree the method of crowd control contemplated here has its own problems.

I think it would serve the City well to:

a) Manage crowds further away from Union, trying to regulate the flow in that direction.

b) Run Artic buses, with all-door loading, from key locations, express to Line 2.

Which, by the way, they are doing, in part, with an express that will run up Jarvis to Sherbourne Station.

But my impression is that I'm one of relatively few who know that.......and that the communication strategy needs a bit of a boost over the next few days.
 
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I really dont get what the city is trying to accomplish with this.

If they want to alleviate the issue than dont focus New Year's celebration festivities along the waterfront, do it like the good old days and have it on Nathan Phillips Square so that way people can use Osgoode or Queen. Or split the festivities between Nathan Phillips Square and the Harbourfont.

This really isnt rocket science, but it seems they want to go for round 2 of a messy situation.
 
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