TTC: Other Items (catch all)

[Northern Light]

$758 for 55 new subway cars and a TOTAL, over 10 years of $1.2 BILLION for TTC.

I think you're missing an M, or six zeros......

 

[DSC]

I think you're missing an M, or six zeros......

I only talk about millions these days :->

 

[Northern Light]

The official news release is here:

Deputy Prime Minister announces $1.2 billion for Toronto, enabling purchase of new Line 2 subway cars - Canada.ca

Today in Toronto, the Honourable Chrystia Freeland, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, announced that the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) will receive nearly $1.2 billion over the next decade through the Baseline stream of the new Canada Public Transit Fund. She was joined by the...

www.canada.ca

 

[Richard White]

The official news release is here:

Deputy Prime Minister announces $1.2 billion for Toronto, enabling purchase of new Line 2 subway cars - Canada.ca

Today in Toronto, the Honourable Chrystia Freeland, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, announced that the Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) will receive nearly $1.2 billion over the next decade through the Baseline stream of the new Canada Public Transit Fund. She was joined by the...

www.canada.ca

How far will 55 cars get us?

I presume that is the bare minimum that we need to operate?

 

[Northern Light]

How far will 55 cars get us?

I presume that is the bare minimum that we need to operate?

Good catch, we were all napping.

Its 55 trains.

Its replacement of the entire Line 2 Fleet.

All of the press releases repeated that mistake..............

Clearly, they did not hire @interchange42 to edit/proof read.

 

[generalcanada]

How far will 55 cars get us?

I presume that is the bare minimum that we need to operate?

TTC Line 2 Modernization Update

The TTC Board will meet on September 24 with several items of interest on the agenda. Among these is: Line 2 Modernization – Next Steps on New Subway Train Procurement and Automatic Train Control A…

stevemunro.ca

 

[81-717]

$758M for 55 new subway cars and a TOTAL, over 10 years of $1.2 BILLION for TTC.

I could be wrong, but wasn't the total price for the entire order somewhere around 2B, and ~700M being the 1/3 share from each level of government funding? Then it was revealed that 2B is the cost of 55, not 80?

 

[DSC]

I could be wrong, but wasn't the total price for the entire order somewhere around 2B, and ~700M being the 1/3 share from each level of government funding? Then it was revealed that 2B is the cost of 55, not 80?

Yes, the City & the Province had already signed up so only the Feds were missing.

 

[Northern Light]

I could be wrong, but wasn't the total price for the entire order somewhere around 2B, and ~700M being the 1/3 share from each level of government funding? Then it was revealed that 2B is the cost of 55, not 80?

The global number was 62 trains, and still is............

55 from this investment.

7 are 'growth' trains to service the Line 2 extension, and are being fully funded Metrolinx.

The 80 number included 18 trains for Line 1 growth.

Those trains are currently unfunded, but may be picked up as part of the Yonge North Extension project, TBD.

 

[Bojaxs]

Just confirming, these trains are essentially upgraded Toronto Rockets, correct?

 

[Northern Light]

Just confirming, these trains are essentially upgraded Toronto Rockets, correct?

In the sense that these will be open-gangway trains of standard TTC length, and made in Thunder Bay, yes.

There are some tweaks, mechanically and appearance wise.

 

[smallspy]

Why the H4s but not the MR-73s, R46s, R68s, and other cars of that era?

What makes you think that they aren't?

Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

Dan

 

[81-717]

What makes you think that they aren't?

Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

Dan

Because if they were, surely the STM and MTA wouldn't opt to keep the '73s and R68s around for another decade with their original chopper/SMEE technology, but rather have them replaced together with the '63s and R46s?

 

[nfitz]

So what's the other $442 million for - that's hardly a small sum to brush aside?

Subject to being re-elected. Otherwise will be cancelled by the PC's.

It's still months to an election. It could be over year until the Conservatives are in the position to cancel things. I'd be shocked if the funding hadn't already been done and dusted by then.

In the sense that these will be open-gangway trains of standard TTC length, and made in Thunder Bay, yes.

It's an open tender isn't it? I'm not sure that Thunder Bay will have the price advantage it used to have, now that there's more competent financial management with Alstom.

 

[drum118]

So what's the other $442 million for - that's hardly a small sum to brush aside?

It's still months to an election. It could be over year until the Conservatives are in the position to cancel things. I'd be shocked if the funding hadn't already been done and dusted by then.

It's an open tender isn't it? I'm not sure that Thunder Bay will have the price advantage it used to have, now that there's more competent financial management with Siemens.

You also have CCRR who has a plant on the east coast.

If it is a real open tender like it should be, a few other bidders will surface with CCF and Stadler in the US been part of the list. Since the builder of Ontario Line 3 trains is off shore and will be asked to bid on them as well.

Downside to all of this is replacing the existing signaling that needs to be shorter than Line 1 completion timetable